Titegroup Powder for Ruger 45 Colt

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  1. SBray

    SBray NRA & Second Amendment Life Member

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    Today I went to the range with my Ruger 45 (Long) Colt revolver. I had loaded several samples of Unique, Titegroup, Winchester 231, and mostly Trail Boss loads. I used my Labradar to check the velocities. I was also comparing felt recoil and how dirty the brass was left after shooting. Most of the resulting velocities were in the mid 600’s. I intentionally loaded a heavier amount of Unique because I’ve read that Unique can be clean if loaded at faster velocities.

    I came to the conclusion that Titegroup was the best for felt recoil, and the brass came out cleanest. Most of the other brass was slightly dirty. Winchester 231 left the brass noticeably dirtier!

    I’m sure I could keep adjusting the amounts so each power came out leaving the brass cleaner. But for target plinking loads I’ll stick with Titegroup. For defensive hunting loads, I’d go with Unique.

    Steve
     
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    Yea me, I wont use TG in anything. If I want soft loads, I shoot RedDot. Fills the case better & burns cooler.
     

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    Hard to beat 8.5gr. Unique behind 255 gr. LSWC if not at all. This is the standards that I always go back to.
     
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    Alliant BE-86 is also a good powder for the 45 Colt.
    It has a burn rate similar to Unique.

    Titegroup is too fast for the 45 Colt.
     
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    TG is going to give you nice recoil and clean brass at the expense of high pressures and not a lot of room at the top end.

    I would use something a little slower. And I am a TG fan, but its not for everything.
     
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    Been thinking of trying BE-86 since I found some really cheap compared to Unique around here.
     
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    Not wanting to seem like I am being argumentative, I’m just trying to better understand the selection of TG for use with 45 Colt pistol cartridges.

    If I’m not interested in attempting to have velocities at the top of the spectrum, how would TG be a problem? Are there certain weather conditions, like extremely hot days, that would make TG dangerous?

    As for volume, it seemed to fill the 45 Colt cavity appropriately 33%.

    Steve
     
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    Those teeny, tiny powder charges are a serious issue, but many love TG, even on 500mag.
     
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    Mark2Glock Redneck Handyman

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    All the more reason not using a fast powder in a big case. I use Trail Boss but the accuracy is not on par with Unique.
     
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    I've tried but I just don't like TG. I did a similar comparison with my 45 Colt and TG was at the bottom. For target loads I use Red Dot or WST.
     
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    I used to shoot a lot of 45colt in CAS. RedDot is a real accuracy sleeper especially with lead bullets. 5gr of powder isn't much in a huge 45colt case but fills it better than TG!:alex:
     
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    80ED43BC-5005-4FE5-9061-1381CDED0B1D.jpeg I understand the theory of using bulkier powders in larger cases. Here’s what puzzles me.

    The other day I was testing 38 Special cartridges. I shot some factory Federal Gold Cup 148 grain wadcutters and compared them with factory 38 Special Plus P Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator 140gr. The Federal Gold Cup wadcutters measured approximately 450 fps, while the Lehigh were approximately 850 fps. I took the Federal wadcutters apart and found 2.2 grains of a very fine powder (see attached photo).

    So my question is, why do factory rounds sometimes use such a small amount of fine powder?

    Steve
     
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    What was the bullet weight?

    Primer?
     
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    Wadcutters are usually for target practice and seated really deep hence less space, less powder. A SD load is a different animal.
     
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    Cost. If all I need is 500-600fps, why not save some $$. 1 million x anything is a lot.
     
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    I'm no expert, but I like the cases more than half full when I drop powder.
     
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    One of my biggest issues with tg, too small a volume charge.
     
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    My ass is worth more than the cash it sits on.
    I have been distracted and thrown doubles before. It's messy, yet practically idiotproof. If not, please take up basket weaving.
     
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    Not you, Fred. Lol
     
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    Like I said before there a bunch of better powder suited the 45 Clot thats been proven so why mess with it because you want to use a powder you have on hand, It's easier to pick up a can of proper powder and cheaper in the long run especially it only takes one bad reload to mess it all up. Better to be safe!