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Time's almost up, Creationists

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by GreenDrake, May 26, 2012.

  1. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    Just a question, but couldn't a deity have created human life through a process of evolution? Not sure how creation and evolution are mutually exclusive.
     
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    juggy4711 Nimrod Son

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    I agree completely.
     
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    Must you hijack every thread with the same circular argument? So what?
     
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    imSteve NRA Benefactor

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    things do evolve/change over time, yes

    but God created 2 animals just for the evolutionists

    1. wood pecker - evolved would have a fractured beak or brain trauma which would
    lead to extinction
    2. duck billed platapus - bear claws, venom gland, duck bill, eats totally under water
    while eyes are closed.

    these 2 animals could not have evolved
    ...and NASA engineers can prove with mathematics, it is impossible for a bumble bee to fly.

    I think it takes more faith to believe this is all a "perfect accident" than a grand design

    I probably will not change your mind, you are probably not going to change "Creationists" minds

    ...but hey, have a great day and please keep it civil
     
  5. GreenDrake

    GreenDrake Rip Lips

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    Food for thought in light of those that will still deny the process even with the myriad of evidence we currently have already. With so many different flavors of christianity, as well as all the other religions, even some christian creationists have a difficult time deciphering when hominid evolution took place, then there are others who devoutly believe in the garden of eden. Defies logical thought to think that such magical things are the basis of creation with ZERO evidence but a book written by self appointed intermediaries.
     
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    There's only two kinds of people;
    Those who believe in God, and those who will.
     
  7. Animal Mother

    Animal Mother Not Enough Gun

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    Except they did.

    Anatomy and Evolution of the Woodpecker's Tongue
    Genome analysis of the platypus reveals unique signatures of evolution

    No one is served by repeating falsehoods.
    Something we should all strive to achieve.
     
  8. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    We aren't talking about that.

    We are talking about evolution, I'm just pointing out that evolution and creation are not mutually exclusive.
     
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    A lot of people on both sides fail to understand that it's not a one or the other discussion.

    It's quite possible, and probably most likely, that evolution and creationism
    both are valid concepts, with each playing their part.

    Maybe God created evolution too?

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    wallytoo FA4AA

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    Time's up because Leakey says so? That's rather arrogant. I disagree. I believe Yahweh will decide when time's up.
     
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    wallytoo FA4AA

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    Personally, the reason I find the two concepts mutually exclusive is that the Bible states that death was a direct result of the fall. Before sin, there was no death. For evolution to take place over millions/billions/kajillions of years, there would necessarily have to be death.

    Does God have the power to have created all things in a way that used evolution? Yes. He also could have chosen to create everything in a fraction of a second. I believe He chose to do things the way He said He did, as recorded in Genesis.

    I believe the Bible first, and my understanding of other viewpoints gets put through that 'filter'.
     
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    juggy4711 Nimrod Son

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    They're not unless of course one insists on insanities like man made from dust, women from a rib, and a 6000 yo Earth.
     
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    juggy4711 Nimrod Son

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    Thank God there were men that didn't. I'm rather fond of the things such men discovered.
     
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    Christianity and evolution are exclusive.

    Here it is:

    If evolution is true there was no original sin in the Garden of Eden. If there was no original sin there is no need for a Savior. No need for a Savior means no need for Jesus sacrifice on the cross.

    Deity could have created human life through a process of evolution. I used to believe in evolution, but evolution takes away all value and meaning to life and human life. If evolution is true then we are the result of an accident. I would rather be chastized by God than the alternative.

    Hebrews 12:8 But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons.
     
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    juggy4711 Nimrod Son

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    There's your problem right there, you do not properly understand evolution. Evolution is not an accident.
     
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    Gunhaver the wrong hands

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    It would be so great if, when one put forth one of these fallacious arguments and it was promptly shot down as being anti science propaganda, that person would say something to the effect of, "Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Of course that's how bumblebees can fly. Why, they do it all the time and I was told it was magic. I've been duped."

    Instead I suspect he'll tuck the bumblebee, platypus and woodpecker arguments back in the deck in his pocket for another day and another crowd to see if they will buy it.

    Truth doesn't matter. Only lies that serve the cause and whatever truth they may stumble upon that might be useful to them.
     
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    God can create a bird in flight, a universe with the light in place and a full grown man and woman. He doesn't need lots of time and death to create.

    Death is an enemy that will be destroyed.

    I Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign, till he has put all enemies under his feet.
    15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
     
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    juggy4711 Nimrod Son

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    Sure God could have but didn't as all scientific evidence shows. Thankfully God allows us to understand these things. Your view of God is limiting. Mine provides the medium for this conversation. Yours would still have us scribing on animal skins.
     
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    Is the macro vs micro evolution thing again?

    Here's a question never answered by creationists; Where does micro end and macro begin? How many little changes are allowed by biology and what stops those little changes from going too far?