Debate Time Past, But Now, And The Ages To Come

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  1. JBnTX

    JBnTX

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    If you want to really understand the Bible, then read the .pdf file in the link.
    Download it and study it.

    It doesn't matter if you're a misguided modernist Christian, a heathen atheist or just curious.
    It makes the Bible crystal clear.

    There are different time periods spoken of in the Bible.
    All of the Bible is written for us, but not all of the Bible is written directly to us.

    https://romansthruphilemon.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/the-gentiles-and-the-law2.pdf


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  2. Vic Hays

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    If you know the history and read the Bible. You can understand it.

    If you read the link you provided it will mess with your head so that you may never understand the Bible.

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    That's God for you. He loves everyone unconditionally, but only upon certain conditions. He created everyone through Adam & Eve, but only speaks directly to a select and Chosen few. He doesn't mind if group A worship Him one way and group B, another. Even if those practices of worship are in conflict and contradiction with each other. The idea of God as a moral relativist suggest (figuratively) that no law should be written in stone. Yet literally, they are.
     
  4. JBnTX

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    Is the Bible wrong? Everything in that link is from the King James Bible.

    Some of the newer Bible versions have changed or removed some of the references in that link and may say something different.

    Who you going to believe?

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    I don't understand your response?

    What's wrong with God practicing moral relativism and dealing with different people in different ways, and at different times?

    The early Hebrews and Jews were under the Mosaic Law, but today Christians are under Grace and not under the Law. Things changed in the Bible.

    Isn't a flexible plan much better than a rigid unchanging plan?
    Evidently God thinks so.

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    Oh no! The only two real Christians in the country are interpreting the Bible differently?
     
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    Everything in the link is from the Bible except for the verses that show the context and disagree with the conclusions.

    There are different times, but God does not change. He has always been gracious.

    Genesis 6:8 KJV
    [8] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord .

    Your dispensationalism is double minded. On the one hand the law has been done away with for the Gentiles and on the other hand a Christian is supposed to live a moral life which is defined by the Ten Commandments.

    You can see that the text in bold in Colossians 2 is taken out of context. The ordinances refers to the Law of Moses written in the Book of the Law. The Ten Commandments were written in stone. This signifies their it's permanence. This portion is misinterpreted by dispensationalism.

    Colossians 2:14 KJV
    [14] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    Is it ok now to steal, commit murder, etc? You can see that the ordinances taught by Moses were distinctly different from the Ten Commandments written by God Himself.

    Deuteronomy 4:13-14 KJV
    [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. [14] And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

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    Okay, let me ask you.

    Can Christians eat pork and catfish, or not?
    And why?

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  9. Trew2Life

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    Which part did you not understand?
    The same thing that is wrong with anyone in a position of authority who treats people differently based on their ethnicity, culture or religious beliefs.
    As if the omnipotent God needs to be flexible? Why? Doesn't He know the future and is prepared, and planned for it?
    Separate but equal never works.

    Everyone must be guided by the same rules and standards of law.
     
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    Which part did you not understand?
    The same thing that is wrong with anyone in a position of authority who treats people differently based on their ethnicity, culture or religious beliefs.
    As if the omnipotent God needs to be flexible? Why? Doesn't He know the future and is prepared, and planned for it?
    Separate but equal never works.

    Everyone must be guided by the same rules and standards of law.
     
  11. Vic Hays

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    You are attempting to evade the question.
    More importantly, can Christians murder, commit adultery, use the Lord's name in vain? These are defined by the Ten Commandments.

    Combining the Ten Commandments with the Law of Moses and then conveniently having it all nailed to the cross allows professed Christians to indulge their lusts and sin against God.

    The Ten Commandments are called the Law of Liberty and are the standard of morality. It is likened to a mirror in which we can judge ourselves.

    James 1:23-25 KJV
    [23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: [24] For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. [25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein , he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

    The only reason most Christians do not desire to use the Ten Commandments as their standard of morality is because they do not want to honor the Lord on His Sabbath day. There is that old lust thing again.

    Exodus 20:10-11 KJV
    [10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: [11] For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is , and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


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