[OKgetdown]

Its ok. I've shot a fair amount in 9mm, .223 and 7.62. Its ok. It wont hurt anything.

But its not really that cheap anymore, so I don't really see the point in buying it anymore.

 

[biscut53]

1000rds a year isnt even a decent breakin period. You arent going to see wear. At 10k rds a year, steel on steel, i would bet some wear nut not enough to be a serious issue. Most people wont shoot 10k rds in the life of a pistol. I get it, ammo is expensive but thats why many of us that shoot 10k rds a year reload.

I respect ya but have to ask then....when will my extractors see issues? Just me but if it taks over 10k to require an extractor replacement....that's a bias IMO. Hey, if so it's fine. We all have them. I've had horrible luck with WIn whote box but others swear by it. I'm not a high volume shooter competing on a regular basis but here are my yearly averages for handgun:

9mm - 12-15k
40 - 3k
45 - 5k
10mm - 2k

I reload for 14 cal's but overall I do it for precision as well as savings for specific cals (6.8spc especially). I'm going to get back to reloading 45 as it is just a bit $$$ for factory target ammo. I reload some for the 10mm when I want a particular bullet for a need. Just don't enjoy handgun ammo even on progressive. While rile makes me feel I'm part of making precision

Merely 1 pistol so meaningless in scope but it conveys my experience. Gen3 G19 with about 30k down the tube. 90% is Wolf and Tula with remaining 10% being Fed hydra & later HST's I shot in it from work. That particular gun has required ZERO replacement parts (not including RSA's!). Over the last few thousand rounds it's showing the need for a new fire pin spring as I'm getting light strikes.

I don't see the wear that everyone states is bound to happen. I do have a different feeling for the 223 ammo but it's not the case it is the higher velocity and the steel core bullet that causes increased wear. Just don't see it in handgun format.

 

[Rotn1]

At what point is Wolf going to harm an extractor? Sure hasn't been my experience (as stated before over 150k down the tube) in over a dozen Glock's, 6 P series Sigs, multiple semi custom 1911's, and on and on. It is actually more reliable than some brass cased brand name ammo. I've had horrible luck with Win white box in 9mm. It is not the cleanest but also not the dirtiest. It does have an amonia type smell to it. IME this stuff (subsonic for silencers) is the dirties I've ever used.

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I'd ask you why not use it? I personally don't care what anyone/everyone runs in their own weapons but the claims made of extractor issues just aren't substantiated by real-life IME anyway.

And I find the Aguila Ammo smells like Taco’s

 

[Z71bill]

If steel was $1 a box less than aluminum I would buy steel - if aluminum was $1 less than brass I would buy aluminum.

So usually when I bought steel case it was at least $2 less per box - and many times it was much more of a savings. I recall buying $12 a box Wolf 45 ACP when Federal Brass was $20 a box.

Even at $2 a box $.04 a round - if you shoot 10K rounds you saved $400. You can buy a new Glock every 15,000 rounds with just what you save on ammo costs.

But I would sure hate to wear out an extractor - if that is really even true - that cost what $20?

 

[Harley2012]

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Why? You can get brass for as cheap.

If you know a website or place in IL that sells 1000 rounds of brass for 200$ honestly would be great for the info cause I can’t find brass cheaper anywhere I buy 1000 rounds of wolf 9mm from my FFL guy for 200$

 

[biscut53]

If steel was $1 a box less than aluminum I would buy steel - if aluminum was $1 less than brass I would buy aluminum.

So usually when I bought steel case it was at least $2 less per box - and many times it was much more of a savings. I recall buying $12 a box Wolf 45 ACP when Federal Brass was $20 a box.

Even at $2 a box $.04 a round - if you shoot 10K rounds you saved $400. You can buy a new Glock every 15,000 rounds with just what you save on ammo costs.

But I would sure hate to wear out an extractor - if that is really even true - that cost what $20?

Close! Glock OEM extractor is about $17

 

[Rotn1]

If steel was $1 a box less than aluminum I would buy steel - if aluminum was $1 less than brass I would buy aluminum.

So usually when I bought steel case it was at least $2 less per box - and many times it was much more of a savings. I recall buying $12 a box Wolf 45 ACP when Federal Brass was $20 a box.

Even at $2 a box $.04 a round - if you shoot 10K rounds you saved $400. You can buy a new Glock every 15,000 rounds with just what you save on ammo costs.

But I would sure hate to wear out an extractor - if that is really even true - that cost what $20?

In order to complete the “deep draw” that is required to form the steel case, the steel has to be soft…… or it will tear.

 

[It'soncuz!]

If you shoot wolf steel, by the time you've shot enough ammo to wear out your extractor, you've saved enough money to buy several new guns.

 

[fredj338]

If steel was $1 a box less than aluminum I would buy steel - if aluminum was $1 less than brass I would buy aluminum.

So usually when I bought steel case it was at least $2 less per box - and many times it was much more of a savings. I recall buying $12 a box Wolf 45 ACP when Federal Brass was $20 a box.

Even at $2 a box $.04 a round - if you shoot 10K rounds you saved $400. You can buy a new Glock every 15,000 rounds with just what you save on ammo costs.

But I would sure hate to wear out an extractor - if that is really even true - that cost what $20?

Not even $20. I know still offers more friction, feel it sizing them, so i don't see a value but i have shot alum & steel. My ar does not like steel ammo. People will do what they do to save a $. If you buy steel ammo, at least dont buy Russian.

 

[Z71bill]

Not even $20. I know still offers more friction, so i don't see a value but i have shot alum & steel. My ar do not like steel ammo. People will do what they do to save a $. If you buy steel ammo, at least dont buy Russian.

I bought a case of American Steel from Freedom Munitions - but have not shot any yet.

They are plated with copper but the new rounds they sell are now plated with brass.

I just noticed - free shipping over $250 this weekend!

 

[KillerCroc]

Wolf and steel ammo in general is fine, unless you have some finicky gun that can't run it. I've never had a problem with Wolf in a Glock and I have shot many many cases of Wolf through Glocks.

The only bad things I can say is I've seen claims that some rifles ie Knights, won't run on wolf and I have heard claims that with AR15s brass ammo may not fire reliably after extensive use of Wolf without a cleaning. Personally I have not seen that based on my experience, but I've heard it from reputable people who say they've had problems.

Most criticism of Wolf is from inexperienced shooters or people who haven't shot it. You used to see "I wouldn't put 87 octane in my Porsche" on the internet and then see guys shooting Wolf through registered machineguns that would these days cost as much as a porsche.

It's inexpensive blasting ammo and not as accurate as higher quality and more expensive ammo.

I did wear out an extractor on a Glock over many many cases of Wolf. I don't know how much longer it would have lasted with brass.

Now a days Russian/east european steel ammo doesn't seem to be as common. If you have access to it cheap, I'd grab it. I'd certainly buy wolf over US commercially reloaded ammo, which is probably a cost competitor. Often that stuff is junk. Probably most inexpensive brass ammo is better than Wolf, but I don't know, I haven't shot much pistol ammo lately and I don't know what ammo from places like Bosnia or where ever is like

I wouldn’t run 87 Octane through my Porsche. An oil change costs more than a new Glock barrel!

 

[Z71bill]

I think Russia is banned from exporting ammo to the USA - that was before Ukraine war. I don't recall what reason was given but Biden hates guns so anything he can do to make gun ownership harder - more expensive he will do it with smile on his face and likely poop in his diaper.

 

[Jimintheburg]

I had problems with Winchester steel ammo with my Glock G-3. Was using this ammo that was purchased from WalMart and it was cheap. On the same day,it fired twice w/ one trigger pull., not only once but twice. I had used it previously and had a previous "double " fire. Needless to say, I quiot using my 19 with that ammo and fired the rest with my LC9s and had no problem. While I don't shoot 9mm that much -having too much fun w/ .45 auto and 10 mm- I have never had any more "double" fires with the 19. Needless to say, I quit using the steel cased 9 mm and W/M quit selling certain types of ammo..

 

[Hauki]

The steel cases have the benefit of picking them up with a magnetic rather than bending over

 

[MARINE DIVISION TWO]

My extractor issues were with a Beretta 92,first extractor snapped the 2nd one wore down after 2 months shooting with wolf crap. The 2nd was my S&W 6906 (dear to my heart ) Snapped the extractor after five 12 round mags .Took my months to find a replacement extractor . No Pics as this happened awhile back and never gave thought to doing Pics .

 

[Pat Riot]

I won’t run Russian ammo, period. Screw Russia! My sentiments aren’t about the Ukraine War either so thiis isn’t virtue signaling. Russia has been a thorn in the side of the world for well over a century.

Now, regardless of the above I won’t run steel ammo, I don’t care who makes it.
My guns - My choice. 😁

 

[GlockyQ]

I bought a case of American Steel from Freedom Munitions - but have not shot any yet.

They are plated with copper but the new rounds they sell are now plated with brass.

I just noticed - free shipping over $250 this weekend!

I also used to shoot a lot of Freedom Munitions "American Steel" ammo in 9mm, before COVID pandemic when it was much cheaper. It is of much better quality than Russian steel cased ammo or Winchester "USA FORGED". Other than the fact that the case is brass-plated instead of solid brass, it performs just like Freedom Munitions FN ammo uses new ammo. Unlike Russian steel case ammo, it does not have bi-metal bullet but has the same X-Treme "plated" lead bullet.

I really wish it was cheaper, though. At $12.45 a box now, it is no longer a bargain because you can buy cheap brass case ammo (e.g., CCI Blazer Brass, GECO, Republic, etc.) for about the same price....

 

[The Warrior Dwarf]

I’m a cheap date and will shoot pretty much anything. I don’t seek out steel like I did a few years back when it was quite a bit less expensive and easier to come by than brass though. If I find it cheaper I’ll buy it but it’s not my go to. That said I’ve shot a few thousand rounds through various guns. Like several have said it’s dirty but that’s the only thing I’ve noticed.

 

[Mark G Luke]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on steal case wolf 9mm ? Is it bad for the Glock 19 gen 5?

Why are you buying anything from Russia? We need to boycott Russia.

 

[Slappy Schultz]

Its ok. I've shot a fair amount in 9mm, .223 and 7.62. Its ok. It wont hurt anything.

But its not really that cheap anymore, so I don't really see the point in buying it anymore.

Steel cased, usually smelly and dirty. Prices are dropping why bother.