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  1. Rabbi

    Rabbi The Bombdiggity Lifetime Member

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    What are your thoughts on these issues through high school.

    Public vs. private education.

    School sports.

    School uniforms.

    Coed vs. non coed.

    Teacher pay.
     
  2. aplcr0331

    aplcr0331 Compulsory Collectivisim

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    Public vs. private education - There's a difference

    School sports - More not less

    School uniforms - Couldn't hurt

    Coed vs. non coed - We need more schools that are boy or girl only

    Teacher pay - It's way low, ask any teacher. They all work with criminals (kids) with absent parents in the worst part of towns, pay thousands of dollars out of there own pockets for supplies plus regularly work 10-12 hour days and actually work all summer too.
     

  3. Peace Warrior

    Peace Warrior Am Yisrael Chai CLM

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    Simply put:


    1)Private over public.

    2)Yes to sports (i.e., non-academic scholastic pursuits).

    3)Yes to uniforms. Easily understood and enforced program. It also keeps an even keel with regards to student appearance.

    4)Up to a limit once entering Middle School.

    5)Tough egg to crack. Been there, done that, and it's literally always "something." Too complicated to admonish a perfect solution in an internet thread, but when you have teachers/educators that realize they are called to teach, it makes it a lot easier and only a once of year "headache" for administrators.
     
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  4. canis latrans

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    you didn't ask about teachers unions...
     
  5. Gallium

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    1.Let's lose the Dept of Education at the .fedgov level. Public schools and private schools can co-exist.

    2. Our nation is careening into an obesity epidemic. Sports (more succinctly, understanding the value of exercise, and the role it plays in our physical and mental well being) are almost as important today as an education.

    3. School uniforms. Let each school district decide. What works in Chattanooga TN might not work well in Bangor Maine. (Or San Diego vs Humboldt Co, CA)

    4. CoEd vs non CoEd. Some of my education was at a non CoEd school. We would have been better off with some real chics and not the four or five whiny idiots who were trying to win the Ms. Puniverse contest...

    5. Teacher pay. ALL PUBLIC SERVICE salaries, benefits and retirement packages are going to come under serious scrutiny. For starters we should enroll more of society in everything. Volunteer EMS, military (mandatory 2yr draft), public law enforcement, public education, public service, public works.
     
  6. Annoyedgrunt

    Annoyedgrunt Dry Heat my ASS

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    Rabbi, you just like stirring the pot, don't you?

    Think I'll go start a thread about the tattoos you see in Walmart, and whether you should show your receipt or stand on your rights. While open-carrying, of course.

    :rofl:
     
  7. Angry Fist

    Angry Fist Dehumanizer® Lifetime Member

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    Public vs. private education.
    If you can afford private school, you should.

    School sports.
    Raise academic standards to participate. No dumb jocks.

    School uniforms.
    Either way.

    Coed vs. non coed.
    Must have chicks!

    Teacher pay.
    Increase it. I'm willing to pay a little more taxes for better quality faculty.
     
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  8. RedTop

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    I think it's a great topic and worthy of credible responses. So far they the responses have been good. Stirring the pot? Maybe, but it's definitely a pot worth tending.

    1) Private
    2) Yes, but as PW said, it shouldn't invade on real academics.
    3) Yes
    4) Coed... It helped me go to class on some days :supergrin:
    5) On a merit system; How you qualify that is through choice and private schools (See my and Drew's answer for question #1).

    :wavey:
     
  9. kiole

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    I'm a high school drop out(junior year) who then attended Northeastern University on a partial scholarship after 2 years of hard work. I then transferred to ASU and partied my way out of school. I never finishing my degree in large part because of the financial cost of college compared to my earning potential given the degree I was pursuing.(political science)

    I think one of the biggest mistakes at least in my area is not actually preparing students for college. The emphasis is on small classrooms and a large amount of busy work(AKA homework). Students then enter college and are shocked when they run into classes in which 3 tests decide your grade with class sizes of over 300 students. I believe these high schools are doing a disservice by not preparing students with the skills they need for college.

    I also believe a huge disservice is being done by not provided alternative path besides college. These schools focus on forcing everyone into the mold of an elite academic and dismiss the thought of training students in the trades. I wish more training was provided in real world skills. The world needs science and math majors, but also plumbers and electricians.

    Public vs. private education - Which ever works for the individual students needs.

    School sports - I wasn't an athlete but I believe school sports build a sense of community and pride.

    School uniforms - No, I like people being able to express individuality.

    Coed vs. non coed - It's healthy and natural to interact with the opposite sex on a daily basis. Otherwise I believe you can create issues by making interaction with the opposite sex seem taboo.
     
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  10. Detectorist

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    Good education requires the cooperation of the parents.

    We're putting too much emphasis on elite sports while the majority of our students are becoming overweight.

    Teachers will always complain about their pay.
     
  11. Annoyedgrunt

    Annoyedgrunt Dry Heat my ASS

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    Fair point.

    1. Private

    2. Only if the student(s) want to. (I.e. not be pressured into sports by "coulda been a contenda" parents who are trying to live vicariously through their kids' sports endeavors)

    3. No. Too oppressive for my liking.

    4. Coed. They have to interact with each other.

    5. Like Angry Fist said, I'd pay more taxes for better teachers.
     
  12. countrygun

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    Nobody has proven a positive link between teachers unions and EDUCATION yet.
     
  13. TSAX

    TSAX USAF Vet

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    :popcorn:, this thread is :animlol:








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  14. INJoker

    INJoker Simply Charming

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    I also support longer school days and more of them.

    The basics need a lot more emphasis. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic should be the sole focus of any curriculum through at least 6th grade. Trying to teach 4th-graders higher-level topics like "Civics" is a waste of time. They need to be able to read, write and understand basic mathematics before they are exposed to anything else.

    We should group students based on ability.

    Class sizes should be kept as low as possible.

    Parents should step up to the plate and take some responsibility for their childrens' education. Read to your kids. Practice math facts or flash cards with them. Play spelling games to help them study for their spelling tests. Turn off the XboX and take them to the ******* zoo once in a while.

    I'm going to stop before I start ranting...
     
  15. rauldduke1979

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    1. Public vs. private - Private gets to pick their students. That's why they tend to succeed. Education should be a privilege for those who can hack it, not a right guaranteed to every future felon who needs a place to hang out from 7-3.

    2. Extracurriculars in general are a net positive. But if your school district builds a football stadium that puts the athletic facilities at the local college to shame, things are probably a bit out of control.

    3. Not in public school. And if you're doing #1 above (picking your students - "firing" the ones who won't learn), unnecessary.

    4. Men and women approach many situations, including work and socialization, from different perspectives. Might as well start learning that as soon as humanly possible.

    5. Teachers should receive more pay up front in exchange for less restrictive work rules. As it is now, your best bet is to become a teacher and then just survive for first 10-12 years until you start making decent money. I'd rather pay a good teacher a lot more in their first year but set work rules so they can be fired if things aren't working out. Of course, in my world teachers would be able to "fire" bad students so overall education quality would rapidly increase and teaching would probably become the single most sought after career in the U.S.
     
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    I went to Catholic school. I went to public school for summer school. I noticed that the standards were completely different with Catholic schools being a much higher standard.

    For the first week I was appalled/awed at what I was seeing. I was like, "You can do that?!" "You can wear that?!" Really!?

    Didn't/don't care, but I was on the drinking team my senior year.

    We didn't have uniforms, but we had a dress code. Black jeans, but no blue/acid washed jeans. Don't ask, I don't know. Shirts had to have a collar. Girls could wear anything that was 2" above the knee. I did everything I could to be slightly out of dress code.

    My old HS now wears uniforms.

    When I went to middle school, we were segregated. It sucked. When we went to HS - I'll just say that I love catholic school girls!

    Doesn't matter to me.
     
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    Doesn't matter as long as the quality of education is high. Problem is that most schools have to teach to the lowest denominator which means that those that "get it" quicker are penalized by redundancy.

    Great as long as it doesn't get in the way of education. A grant for a new football field while the science lab is falling apart is not a wise investment.

    Absolutely. My kids are not there for a fashion contest, they are their for an education.


    Doesn't matter.


    As long as they are doing the job. They should have to take the standardized testing as well. I'm getting awful tired of the teachers teaching to the test.
     
  18. RonS

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    Not going to address specific points, I think they are tactical issues and our education industry is a huge strategic failure. I don't care how much you improve the specifics it won't matter in the long run unless we address the basic flaws in the basis of the system.

    We need to tear down the schools of education and send every single one of their employees with a masters or higher off to teach in Cuba, Cambodia, Vietnam, China or North Korea.

    At one time in the United States it was rare for someone to go through middle school and not be able to read. Now we have college freshmen who can't read.

    There are people who have as much use for a college degree as I do for hair tonic. Some of those people need an education that can prepare them to make a living in service or industry instead of dumbing down the business and education programs to the point that anyone can get a degree and then go out in the world and fail. It degrades the student who is being misdirected and debases the value of the degree for those who have the same degree and the ability to do the work.

    Education is an industry the same as the tobacco, soft drink and casino industries. Selling more degrees, or more credit hours, employing more teachers, creating more programs for administrators to administer are the goals.
     
  19. wrx04

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    1) Private>Public: Kids from private schools are generally more successful throughout life. This is not necessarily because the education is better, but because their parents are typically more successful. Successful people tend to make more money and have the means to send their children to these schools, where they are surrounded by other successful peoples children, which all learn common traits from each other, which in turn gives them a better chance of becoming successful themselves.

    And the parents who ARENT wealthy and still send their kids to private schools are even more important. These parents sacrifice themselves for the sake of their children, and therefore, are more likely to put much effort into helping their child succeed. They really care about their children.

    Children are a direct reflection of their parents, IMO.

    2) School sports are a good thing. It promotes exercise, develops ability to work as a team player, and creates a competitive drive.

    3) A dress code is good.... no need for everyone to wear the exact same thing though. Khakis, polo, and dress shoes for guys, and the gender equivalent for girls.

    This teaches you how to present yourself in public and creates a businesslike learning environment. Its kinda hard to take learning seriously if the people around you are dressed in slipknot teeshirts/baggy jeans or booty shorts/fishnet stockings.

    4) Coed. Its important to learn how to interact with the opposite sex. Plus, i actually think guys act more appropriate while around the girls (and vice versa).

    5) Pay should be based on students performance on standardized tests. If they score well in your subject, your pay is increased accordingly.

    There has to be some incentive for the teachers to TRY. The students are the ones who will suffer if they dont learn the material. There is a HUGE difference between taking a course with a great teacher, and taking the same course with a lousy teacher.....reward the great teachers.
     
  20. Calico Jack

    Calico Jack NO QUARTER

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    The only problem with this is that teachers who work at a school filled with future felons and parents that couldn't care less about education will be getting screwed.