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Thoughts on 10-round magazine restrictions in CA ?

Discussion in 'California Glockers' started by Landmonster, May 4, 2007.

  1. Landmonster

    Landmonster

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    I may be moving to California soon.

    I have some thoughts & questions concerning the CA 10-round magazine restrictions.

    It seems to me, that one of the main advantage of the larger Glocks is their increased ammo capacity. If it's true that each handgun magazine in CA can only carry 10 rounds, you may as well get a smaller and more concealable pistol. You don't need an oversized gun with an oversized grip just to store larger magazines, since the max rounds you can carry is only 10. Right?

    Also, since you can ONLY get 10 rounds, you would want the most powerful rounds you can carry. Right?

    For example..... the old debate of "17 rounds of 9mm vs. 13 of .45" goes out the window. The debate there should be "10 rounds of 9mm vs. 10 rounds of .45"... unless I'm missing something.



    So in California, is there even a reason to get a full size Glock or other handgun, that's designed to hold more than 10 rounds? Why not get something like G30 over a G21, or a G26 over a G19 or G17?

    A G21 with 10 rounds seems like an unnecessarily large weapon, with some "wasted space" compared to a G30 with the same ammo capacity in CA. Also, a G17 is a large 9mm to only carry 10 rounds, why not carry a G26?




    What do you all think about this? Am I faulty in my logic?

    Seems to me that with only 10-rounds, you want to get the most powerful rounds you can handle (since you have less of them), and in the smallest gun you can shoot (to make it easier to conceal, since ammo capacity is fixed at 10)

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Ulstulst

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    Larger handguns have other possible advantages besides mag capacity, like barrel length and grip size. Smaller guns are generally harder to shoot accurately.

    I'm far from an expert, but beyond that small quip, your logic seems perfectly accurate to me. If you're comfortable with the smaller handguns, there's no reason not to save some wasted space.

    PS "10 bullet clip" limits are absurd ;).
     

  3. Landmonster

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    Pisses me off, since I have a G21 already. :sad:
     
  4. RayB

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    1) I mostly agree--except for dedicated target shooters.

    2) A moot point if you miss. But the hardest hitting ammo, for sure!

    3) Assuming you shoot that caliber well, yes. Nines are controllable.

    4) Only if it's a dedicated target gun, does the big frame make sense.

    5) Ergonomics play no small part in gun selection.

    6) No. You're right. It's a stupid Liberal solution that solves nothing, but gets in your face--like all their crap solutions do! :upeyes:

    Stuck in Ca., I'd look at that S&W .357, 8-shot, tactical revolver, with a light rail. :thumbsup:

    Also, don't forget that there are proposals to limit personal weapons to .38 caliber, or less.

    These people don't want you armed at all, and this is their incremental way of eventually denying you firearms completely. Get out and vote these people out of office, or lose your precious liberties! :soap:

    --Ray
     
  5. ky_glock26

    ky_glock26 Alex Goodman

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    There is no way I'd live in Cali. I was watching Cops the other night and a guy got arrested and treated like a criminal of the worst kind for having a loaded .22 in his back seat. F that. The man did nothing wrong.

    My buddy out there told me that you are not allowed to carry guns and ammo in the same box even. He said that your guns have to be unloaded, in the trunk, with ammo in separate container.
     
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    Same here in Wisco-World. Then county to county, township to township, rules apply too. What are they? Nobody knows! You find out when they pull you over!

    A while back, in Milwaukee, an elderly lady held an intruder at gunpoint, while she called 911. The cops read her the riot act for pointing a loaded gun at that poor man! Meanwhile the news showed some old granny taking karate lessons, saying never pull a gun on an intruder, because there ARE alternatives.

    They never did address why the intruder complied and waited for the cops, why she wasn't mugged or robbed, or raped, because they're really not concerned so much with that. What matters is the idealogy by which they live, and FEEL GOOD about themselves...

    --Ray
     
  7. AJSully421

    AJSully421 Armed Citizen

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    just to throw something in... you might take a look at the new XD 45's. They make one that is the 5 inch tactical slide with the smaller "compact" model grip on it, that way you have the best of both worlds, but the whole thing doesn't make sense to me..

    I lived in LA for 2 years and there is ne'er a more screwed up place in the world, i'm glad to be back in TX with my G17 and my 33 rounders.
     
  8. ky_glock26

    ky_glock26 Alex Goodman

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    That is sad. If she were in Ky she could have shot the intruder without fear of reprieve. We have castle law that covers your home, your car and your barn (only if someone is trying to burn it down).
     
  9. Ulysses

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    Friend, you really have to realize that what size gun you can get may not matter in California.

    Depending on where you live you may be UNABLE to get a carry license.

    Cache your hi-cap magazines outside the state until you become a free citizen again...
     
  10. magmeister

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    Buy your magazines while on vacation out of state!
    I would rather have a full capacity mag as a momento of my vacation than a lousy tee shirt!
    You owned them before they were banned so they were grandfathered.
    P.S. this will not work if your model of gun was not around before the ban!
    No mags with LE or date stamps either!
    Just because it is law does not make it right.
    M:thumbsup:
     
  11. mastrbloata

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    Well, I'll tell you...your line of thinking was pretty much what I was using in 1999 when the ban was on and I got a Glock 30 instead of a 21. I actually sold my 1911 for the extra three rounds in a smaller package of the 30. You've pretty much nailed it. These days however, I'd judge a bit more differently now than I did then. Then, I thought bigger was better. Now, I don't really differenciate between the defensive powers of 9mm., .40, .357sig, or .45acp. I really mean that after doing the amount of reading I've done on GT. With that having been said, If I had a choice again between Glocks that will only ever use 10 round mags, (and I might again in a matter of months after all....)I'd take a 26 or 19 these days instead of the .45. Just my two cents. I left Kalifornia in 90'. I can't even imagine returning today. Good luck to you.
     
  12. glock-ewe

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    Loaded guns in a vehicle led to road rage shootings on our freeways.

    I don't understand why anyone needs more than 10 rounds in a mag usless you are in-country. The 10 round limit does not apply to LEOs here.

    I only shoot at a range and the time reloading 4 10 round mags is a very good break and helps my shooting accuracy. Please do not say you may need it for self defence. If you really need more than 10 rounds you are in a shoot-out not a self defence situation.

    Basically, I do not know what the 10 round limit accomplishes but it doesn't bother me.
     
  13. X-ray Dave

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    If you can avoid moving here, do. The taxes and cost of living will cause your head to explode compared to Texas. Car insurance, gas prices, home prices are MUCH higher here.
    We are stuck with 10 round mags and whatever preban mage we had.
    The places to shoot are limited in some areas. Legally bringing your guns into CA is a whole nother matter. Very limited CCW. Best answer
    ......stay away.
     
  14. briansp82593

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    that reminds me, i have 2 15rd g22/24/35 preban nfml mags for sale, leave me an offer in the fs section :thumbsup:
     
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    Sorry to take issue with your first sentance but someone has to do it. Loaded guns in a vehicle didn't lead to shootings on your freeways rather, psychopaths that belong in mental institutions driving on your freeways led to unjustified shootings while a gun was in their possession. Road rage is a make believe term often employed by egg heads to rationalize and downplay behaviors of fruitcakes in society while at the same time purposefully over emphasizing the use of guns in their deviant actions.
     
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    I carry loaded cocked and locked in or out of a car all over the State 24/7 on a CCW. Some of my guns will only carry 10 or less rounds. Some can carry more and I have grandfathered regular (hi-cap)mags for them.

    Never listen to any one from the "Frisco" area about their opinions on guns. 99.9 % of them are wacked out and do not know there *** from their heads. Road rage is not caused by loaded guns. Road rage is caused by Morons.

    Marin County is a beautiful place filled with escapees from the Peoples Zoo. When I am in Marin County I carry two guns just to be safe.
     
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    CCW in CA is not a lost cause. It really depends on which county you live in.

    Since, you are moving to CA. You should also check to see if you have any "assault weapons". Because you can't bring them with you.

    Also, once you move here, you have 60 days to register your handguns with CA DOJ.

    Also, if there's a handgun you would really like to own, buy it before you move here. CA restricts the sale of different make/model handguns depending on if they are deemed "unsafe" by CA DOJ.
     
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    We have the same here in NJ, must carry gun in trunk unloaded, and ammo in seperate container.
     
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    This is nothing personal, so disregard my intensity; I'm using it to make a point:

    1) Because it's my freaking gun and I don't need a nanny-state deciding how many cartridges I can put in it! Okay?

    From a design point of view, that that big honken grip is half empty because some Liberal ragamuffin says so, pisses me off no end!

    And what do I care what LEOs carry?!

    Back when the speed limit was 55 mph on our best highways, we had people saying, "I don't see why anybody needs to go any faster, anyway..." These are the jerks that hang in the left lane doing 61 mph today!

    2) So what? Who cares? The point is, nobody's imposing this on you. To me, that big honken gun with ten rounds is as dumb an RV with a 200-mile range!

    And who are you to say what I may need for self-defense? Who made you Bullet Monitor?

    3) It accomplishes nothing--like most Liberal mandates. It's a half-measure from that wanker, Bill Clinton, to appease those hand-wringing Liberal ragamuffins, that wanted to disarm you completely. What's next, six shots? Why do you need more than six? Even Dirty Harry got by with six! Six is plenty--lets make it six next!

    How nice that this arbitrary and senseless mandate works so well for you. It would piss me off!

    Hillary's comment at one speech was, "Who knows how many lives it saved?", referring to the last assault weapons ban. Who knows indeed, since they were involved in less than 2% of gun crimes. At that time, some four years into the ban, some four people were prosecuted for violation. Four people...

    --Ray
     
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    Interesting comments. Totally incorrect and basically ignorant of the facts.