This new coronavirus epidemic is starting to heat up

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  1. Mr981

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    Or how many state budgets are going to be busted by this along with the health insurance carriers.
     
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    Good question. At least one company has given itself a pat on the back - and the stock price will rise.
    The good part is there hasn't been the polly-anna announcement that a cure is just around the corner. I remember the American Cancer Society using that slogan in 1957 when it was fundraising - "a cure is just around the corner", give more money. Still waiting. Still waiting for the 500,000 first responders promised in 2001 as well.
     

  3. Dragline

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    When they started the Jerry Lewis Day telethon for MD in the 60s (although it started in a different form in the 50s) I believe they felt at the time the donated money would result in a cure within a few years.
    Didn’t exactly turn out that way.
    Although cases of the disease have reduced, no actual ‘cure’ to my knowledge, has ever been developed.
     
  4. cowboy1964

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    Where is it documented that SARS ended because it mutated? I've never seen that mentioned anywhere.
     
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    At least my State didn't wait for some epidemic to blow their budget. The politicians got ahead of the curve in Chicago and started lining their pockets before any epidemic could come and take the money.

    Sadly, this could place the State and us residents in a disadvantage when it comes to the State's ability to respond.
     
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    You probably won’t. The reason I know this is because we had a SARS scare back in April of 2003. Some Air Force people came back from the Philippines with symptoms. The infectious disease specialist called a press conference out in front of the Medical Center I was working at. Although it was a false alarm, the Microbiology Supervisor made certain we stayed abreast of all current information after that incident.

    The word we got later was that the virus had become benign. this was either from the CDC or WHO. I no longer remember which agency issued the information.
     
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    Don't think they ever expected it not to spread. They just want to keep all the people on the ship instead of being out mixing with the gen pop.

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    That characteristic would be something a genetic designer would find desireable if attempting to weaponize a virus.
     
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    Exactly the point. Quarantine is not for the benefit of the people being quarantined. It is for everybody else. Losing a ship full of people is tragic, but compared to losing a city full? I know which way I would decide.
     
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    What was being done with the cruise ship in Japan was in full accord with International law. In fact the Japanese were much more concerned with the passengers than they are required to be and may pay a horrible price for having let sick passengers off the ship for treatment.
     
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    That is the general consensus about sars that I have read.
     
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    Haven't seen this posted yet.

    Clinical Characteristics of 138 Hospitalized Patients With 2019 Novel Coronavirus–Infected Pneumonia in Wuhan, China
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044

    Key findings of a study of 138 patients at a hospital in Wuhan fairly early on in the outbreak; 41% of those 138 were nonsocomial in origin (i.e. they were infected while at the hospital), 26% required admission to the ICU, and 4.3% died.
     
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    Yes it would. Except that this has been discussed on Virological.org by various Virologists. No telltale signs of any manipulation of the genome. In fact, they’ve pointed out ways to make it a more efficient virus.

    Doesn’t rule out that the Chinese were studying this particular virus and “oopsy,” someone had an accident.

    This virus does seem to be quite good at what it does. Spread, and to a lesser extent, kill.
     
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    It was the logical inference from the natural history. It started in bats and/or civets, jumped to humans, than was eventually found in a reservoir of bats in an isolated cave.

    “In late May 2003, studies were conducted using samples of wild animals sold as food in the local market in Guangdong, China. The results found that the SARS coronavirus could be isolated from masked palm civets(Paguma sp.), even if the animals did not show clinical signs of the virus. The preliminary conclusion was the SARS virus crossed the xenographic barrier from asian palm civet to humans, and more than 10,000 masked palm civets were killed in Guangdong Province. The virus was also later found in raccoon dogs (Nyctereuteussp.), ferret badgers (Melogale spp.), and domestic cats. In 2005, two studies identified a number of SARS-like coronaviruses in Chinese bats.[44][45]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome#Containment

    Phylogenetic analysis of these viruses indicated a high probability that SARS coronavirus originated in bats and spread to humans either directly or through animals held in Chinese markets. The bats did not show any visible signs of disease, but are the likely natural reservoirs of SARS-like coronaviruses. In late 2006, scientists from the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention of Hong Kong University and the Guangzhou Centre for Disease Control and Prevention established a genetic link between the SARS coronavirus appearing in civets and humans, bearing out claims that the disease had jumped across species.[46]

    In December 2017, "after years of searching across China, where the disease first emerged, researchers reported ... that they had found a remote cave in Yunnan province, which is home to horseshoe bats that carry a strain of a particular virus known as a coronavirus. This strain has all the genetic building blocks of the type that triggered the global outbreak of SARS in 2002." The research was performed by Shi Zheng-Li, Cui Jie and coworkers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, China, and published in PLOS Pathogens. The authors are quoted as stating that "another deadly outbreak of SARS could emerge at any time. As they point out, the cave where they discovered their strain is only a kilometre from the nearest village."[4]
     
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    Isn't killing the host just a side-effect? The goal is reproduction and transmission. Maybe a high virus load that overwhelms the host is the most efficient means or most productive means of reproduction, maybe it isn't. From virus' perspective, it doesn't matter whether the host ultimately lives or dies, just that the virus can replicate itself "enough."

    Now, if I were designing a bio weapon, I wouldn't necessarily want one that wiped everyone out at once. I'd want one that didn't kill its hosts, but rather spread itself while its hosts remained asymptomatic, then incapacitated them just enough to prevent them defending themselves, imposed tremendous costs on healthcare systems to keep them alive, while keeping the victim contagious all the while even after the symptoms resolved.

    Oh, wait...
     
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    54% of the international cases are from the cruise ship alone. Good job bozos.

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    Another 33% are in the countries/areas around China... Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, Thailand. In other words, only 13% of the international cases are outside the immediate area of China. That is only 0.17% of all cases.
     
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    I’m probably very cynical, but I believe they were guinea pigs.
    They were desperate for accurate Epidemiological information and this was the best way they had to get it.

    I certainly hope it was worth it.
     
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    Nanjing, a major city in Jiangsu province, will ease restrictions after 2 days with no new cases of coronavirus. People will return to work, public places are reopening, and public transportation will resume.

    Well that’s good. Things are starting to return to normal, or are they?
     
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    Yeah, that is the big question. *Are* things starting to return to some form of normal?
     
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