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Discussion in 'Covid-19 News/Info' started by cowboy1964, Jan 22, 2020.
I think you are likely to be correct, which points out that a great deal of our difficulties lie with the treatment or lack of treatment. I believe if more of the infected were treated aggressively early we would have lower levels of serious illness.
Cases are continuing to climb in this area. The largest Medical center in the area has opened another COVID 19 ward.
I told friends to prepare for a fall surge and here it is.
Once again, if you’re young and in good health, you likely won’t have a problem. If you have underlying health problems or old, protect yourself.
It amazes me how much this virus has been politicized. In all of my 40 plus years of working with infectious diseases, I’ve never seen anything this politicized.
SARS CoV 2 is a virus. It’s apolitical. It has one purpose and that is to reproduce. It doesn’t care if you’re liberal or conservative.
This virus has a mortality rate (0.3%) roughly equivalent to a serious flu pandemic. The 1957-1958 was caused by H2N2, mortality rate of 0.67%.
The 1968-1970 flu pandemic was caused by H3N2, mortality rate less than 0.5%.
The difference? Neither of these flu outbreaks disrupted civilization to the degree that this virus has. It’s as if we have learned nothing from history. We as a collective have acted as though this is the worst event in modern times.
At some point we are going to pay dearly for our “normalcy bias.” I fear that many have become “fragile.” How will the world possibly cope when a far bigger crisis comes along?
Perhaps two threads, here and the Dr. Campbell Video thread.
Internet, social media, 24x7 news, and a ****** daily dashboard. That is why this is a world stopping event vs. the others you describe.
We should dashboard other things and see what happens.
Oct 24, 2020
Unfortunately, all too true. Politicians with agendas and the news media wanting to sell stories. Didn’t used to be that way. I guess this is the new normal.
Still following this thread every so often. Many thanks to those who continue to provide updates and new info.
Personal update of the anecdotal kind:
Another family member of mine recently had covid, although she tested negative for it. She was tested immediately after her first symptoms and they told her it might be too soon to show up on the test. It wasn't the rapid result test. She's almost certain she had covid because of her symptoms, and that she likely caught it at an ophthalmology appointment. She was sicker than my two granddaughters who separately had it a few months ago but she's well now. She's in her mid-40s with no chronic health problems. She did not go for a retest for two reasons. She lives in a very rural area and didn't feel like traveling again to the nearest town that had testing, and she said she was already doing everything they'd tell her to do anyway. She works from home for the CDC and knows the protocols.
Five adult members of my small church, plus two more that sometimes help with activities but are not members, very recently had covid. (Several months ago a few others had it, with one woman hospitalized. All of those recovered.) Three of the recent cases, all male, were hospitalized and one has died. He was probably in his upper 70s and had not been sick prior to contracting covid. One has since gone home and I don't know the current condition of the third who was hospitalized. Since our church reopened for in-church services, no more than about 80 have attended services at any one time. Therefore, this seems to be an "outbreak" in our congregation. In-church services were halted again for a couple of weeks but have now resumed, along with Sunday School and youth activities. I'm very thankful our pastor has not caught it as the job requires that he be around lots of people.
Masks are not required at church and no one, or very rarely anyone, wears one. Some of us who are staying home are puzzled by this and don't understand their reasoning. This is not an extreme church that doesn't believe in medical interventions; this is a "regular" conservative SBC church, so the lack of mask use by those attending services has absolutely nothing to do with any religious beliefs. It is apparently just their individual personal decisions to not wear masks.
I have only attended one service since mid-March, one of the Wednesday Bible study services which fewer people attend than the Sunday services. I was literally the only one there who was wearing a mask. This was about a month ago and I haven't been back because I'm just not comfortable being inside with that many unmasked people for an hour (because of my age risk). I'm still staying home as much as possible and wearing a mask when I have to be inside with the public. I don't wear a mask when family members visit and we no longer stay outside for visits. I wasn't exposed to my recently sick family member.
My personal view on mask use is that they do help to a degree with droplet-spread infections. Nurses and doctors have worn them for decades for that. Now there are reports that sometimes covid may be truly airborne, which is a different and more difficult thing, but that droplet spread is still the more common mode of transmission. Therefore, I think mask use helps, especially if the person who unknowingly has covid wears one to help contain their expelled droplets.
I also don't believe in shutting the nation, entire states, or school systems down. At-risk people can take precautions of their own. The "cure" shouldn't be worse than the disease.
The cumulative totals for my county are now about 3,000 positive tests (not necessarily 3,000 people) with over 60 deaths, fwiw.
Stay well, and please vote if you haven't already.
EDIT October 31:
My 40-something family member who tested negative right after her first symptoms and later thought she was over it had a bit of a relapse. Lower oxygen saturation level, headache, and fatigue. She's a little better now but still has a mild headache and fatigue. Whatever she has (she still thinks it's probably covid) is hanging on.
Your county has more positives than my county has adult population!
Yikes. That is what I call... human garbage.
I would highly recommend getting a half mask respirator since you are in a higher risk age group. I too am in that category as well. These are fairly cheap and available. Far better protection than an ordinary mask.
They do need to be fit tested, but there’s YouTube video on performing this test. PM me if you have any questions.
I'm old, fairly healthy, and have several comorbidities, but I'm not hiding and I am being proactive with supplements to keep my immune system at peak. I do a lot of exercise and am keeping my weight down... BMI under 25. I go out for topping off supplies and shopping and I do wear a mask and carry and use my own disinfecting wipes, grabbing one before I exit my vehicle.
I repost on several sites info on the COVID and any therapeutic news and what stuff I'm using. This thread has been great, but I also branch out from Dr. Campbell's videos and watch other doctors or read reports and research results. I try to pass along any good info.
We're careful and my wife hardly ever goes out, but she just came back after her longest outing since January/February. She takes some of the same supplements for COVID prevention, so we hope to be able to fight any minor infections and not give COVID a chance to take hold, if exposed, but we're not just HOPING to avoid getting the disease, or the flu. She just got her flu shot, so we're both covered there.
It's looking like a vaccine for us will be after Spring next year, so we'll just continue with what we're doing, but no long trips to visit family. We're not leaving for Christmas and the next big event would be the granddaughters' birthdays within 2 days of each other in May. It's possible that we might not make that trip, either.
I see a lot of specialists and some appointments were cancelled, turned into telemed appointments, or rescheduled.
I'm starting some dental procedures next week that will take 3-4 months to complete and my available teeth for eating will almost be halved, so that will suck. And, I have a long overdue cancer screening on election day. We've already sent in our absentee votes and know that troubled times are ahead... whoever wins.
Now is probably a good time to put more of my surveillance video cameras into service and hook up the DVR. I guess that I'll take the .308 out of the gun rack and make it more available, too, and load a few more of those mags. I have plenty of Glocks prepositioned and have been wearing my Kahr P380 full time in and around the house for a decade or more.
I am a little worried about the future, but I'm not obsessing over it... yet!
I did break down and make a few political contributions, against my wife's wishes, but feel like I ought to contribute to some of the candidates. The Dems are flush with money and flooding the swing states with ads and targeting some key Republican candidates. I'm hoping that we'll have a better result than 2016, but with all of the negative ads, the pandemic, and Democrats holding their areas hostage until after the election, it's worrisome that many people will vote for change after all the good that Trump has done... as if the Dems would have handled the pandemic any better. We probably would be up to 2 million deaths had they been in charge... as they were calling closing the borders and air travel from infected areas xenophobic and racist.
I think that 200,000 of the OCVID deaths could have been prevented with widespread early detection and using therapeutics on hand to CURE the COVID. The Dems and MSM have and continue to decry anything suggested by our POTUS, or actual doctors in the field with first hand knowledge about the efficacy of several good therapeutic regimens. <sigh> I didn't mean to get too political!
Looks like you’re doing everything you can. Just be cautious and get on with life.
It wouldn’t matter who was president, people would still die. The R0 is too high and a lot of people in this country have underlying health problems.
Moving forward, nothing should be shut down. Pandemics and epidemics are cyclical and normal; we’d better get used to it. More are coming and there’s not a lot we can do about it. Those with underlying health conditions should wear N95’s as a minimum. P100’s are preferable. Plenty of video on YouTube on how to perform a fit test. P100’s are still readily available and quite comfortable.
The largest Medical center in this area has reported that their ICU is now at full capacity. 50% of their patients are now positive for COVID 19.
Edit: All of these patients are on ventilators.
I’m wondering when I’ll get that phone call asking me to come back to work. Interesting times we live in.
A report from the Czech Republic.
Oct 24, 2020
Czech Republic, Special report
Oct 24, 2020
Czech Republic, Special report part 2
I forget if I posted this here before but this group of America's Frontline doctors has treated over 1,900 cases of Covid-19 with HCQ, zinc and azithromycin with ZERO deaths and only ONE needed hospitalization. If you haven't seen their two videos of them in front of the Supreme Court in DC it is well worth watching. https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/
It looks like they are already trying to censor these great doctors. If you can't view the videos on their website these two are available here:
HCQ or Hydroxychloroquine is dirt cheap and is the reason Big Pharma is suppressing it's effectiveness through false paid studies and propaganda.
Send some to FL if you need to. We have 1,518 ICU beds available and 15,883 hospital beds available. We may get a lot less snowbirds this year so hospitals could use some revenue.
Our surge this month only raised our covid hospitalizations from 2,082 patients on Oct 1 to 2,163 today. So up 80 so far in the state across 67 counties. My county went from 76 to 61 and we have 600k residents.
I suspect we’re seeing this due to our weather turning colder. It’s going to get much colder next week.
November may be an interesting month.
Our weather is turning colder to. It allows us to go outside and not melt. summer is to brutal only go outside if you have to. Was mid 80s today.
That can't be right... news headlines, and some people I know, swear that Florida has fallen off the face of the earth it is so full of dead china virus bodies.
You shouldn't even be alive to post that!
I don't know what to believe with all this.