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Discussion in 'Tactics and Training' started by Blaster, Jul 16, 2010.
A real operator would have shot the detonators off of the explosives.
Seriously, he was hauling *** backwards and it looked like he was still on target. Good work.
I don't think he survived. I'm sorry to be a skeptic. But that was 50 yards at the most.
Hopefully he dove to the ground or got behind the building before the car blew.
I'll say this, as some of you might have read a car bomb went in Ciudad Juarez yesterday killing two officers and a medical technician and wounding nine people.
So we might have better look closely at that film and use it for training!
I fear bad times are coming.
He did a good job getting out of the way, but it looked like his shots were in the ground.
It was a shoulder mounted gun.
Good shooting for him, especially given the arena.
Maybe some folks in the "I don't need an evil black rifle for home defense" thread would rethink their shotgun/bolt action/lever action thinking after viewing this.
Yeah, because dodging cars loaded with IEDs is just part of the job when defending my home.
Gangs can be even more creative than that.
yeah...when things go bump in the night, and an suv drives through the wall with artillery shells rigged with blasting caps...gangs these days.
OK. You're right. I must be wrong.
Some people won't be rethinking things.
I'm just playing devils advocate with you, My DPMS/Firebird sits in the safe/under my bed with 30 Fiocchi Extrema 40 grain (yes, the 1-9 stabilizes them) loaded ready to go.
However, come on? Comparing Iraq to suburbia?
One is called by your community to participate in a local militia?
Maybe to protect food storage? A water supply?
Having lived through some bad hurricanes, this just doesn't seem so far fetched a SHTF scenario for me.
And having seen how people behave . . . even here in the good ole USA, I'd just rather show up with my AR15 over my shottie or my lever action.
After Hurricane Fredrick in 1979, State Troopers would escort 18 wheelers filled with ice because people would fight over them.
Not food . . ice.
It doesn't take must imagination on my part to envision worse. As a matter of fact, the next big hurricane to crash this area inspired me to acquire night vision scopes. Because, when the power is out and the night is pitch black, looters have been known to listen for the sound of electrical generators.
Maybe its just a matter if differing personal experiences?
I get your point. However, if you were ever in that position where you needed so much SUPPRESSIVE fire, the adversary would most likely either be immune to your gunfire, or would not care (as was the case here). If I were in a situation where suppressive fire was needed, it would be far more advantageous for me to have another brave soul by my side with an additional long gun (and multiple buddies would exponentially increase my comfort level), versus anything lesser than a belt-fed machine gun on a swivel, behind a ballistic shield/sandbags.
In most of the scenarios we can envision, the adversary is not planning on losing their life in the process.
Would you agree?
When we think tactics and training here we gravitate toward guns, gear, techniques, and tactics related to armed confrontations. But in reality, especially for us civilians here, we are more likely to see things from afar and have to deal with the aftermath. I am not only talking about injuries due to fights, from muggings to robberies to shootings, but injuries by all kinds of events.
So I ask you, how many of you are part of some volunteer organization? Say a volunteer fire department, or Hazmat unit, or Red Cross? Why not?
The skills you learn from them are a huge asset in case of any event, fight or no fight. Anyone in a volunteer fire department learns a lot on not only how to fight a fight a fire, but to spot circumstances where a fire can happen. They learn first aid, CPR, organization skills, and how to work with a team.
In the hazmat unit Im with Ive picked up skills with dragger tubes, Geiger counters, class A,B,C, and D hazmat suits, first aid & CPR, and quite a bit on NBC hazards and how to spot them.
And here in Texas we have the Texas State Guard (I am not a member of this), and from those I know who are in it they get training in many areas not only for national disasters but skills that I feel anyone would benefit quite a bit. Cool thing is they do now qualify with the M16 and M9!
I even just saw a course by Tactical Response on Immediate Action Medical, a 2 day course on keeping people alive with violent trauma till an ambulance arrives. I hope one day to take this course.
I suggest people here start thinking about skills besides guns and shooting. Bad times are coming.
At times deaf and I agree on something. This is one of them. There is very little excuse not to have a basic first aid and CPR/First Responder class behind you, and it is not difficult to get higher levels of training. Some places even provide EMT training for free in exchange for a committment of a certain number of hours volunteer work as an EMT, and so on. Heck, these days you can even take EMT and Firefighter courses on-line. And the CERT program offers training as well as a more formalized after-disaster response.
We disagree on how to decide what is best as for guns or gear or a particular type of training that may or may not be needed. It's really no big deal.
But you and I both know we are far more likely to see something happen at a distance and take action to help after the fact instead of being in the middle of it (for everyone else keep In mind while almost 3000 people were killed in 9/11, TENS OF THOUSANDS pitched in to help after the terrorist had done their deed.)
In every case of a disaster, terrorist or by nature, far more people had to deal with the aftermath than those in it. From Hurricane Katrina to massive tornados to refineries exploding, you may be caught up in this need skills to become part of the solution instead of a victim.
Go look around. Volunteer fire fighters are needed. You get free training! Heck in the Hazmat unit I’m with I get paid $250 a year, free certifications at first aid, CPR, 8 hr refresher courses, and others at a junior college (yes FREE), inside info, etc.. and I’ve been in one real hazmat decon situation to boot. I plan on volunteering for the city hazmat unit to assist in their yearly city wide hazmat cleanup just to get more suit time.
You can’t get that from reading Glocktalk! Ok?
Join guys and get more skils. Yes it will take some of your time, but hey fancy gun schools take your time AND money!
That dude done a good job .