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This election will make or break the 2nd Amendment

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Fox, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. ray9898

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    You will learn on here there is no answer other than 'follow the party line'. If you don't you will be labeled as a liberal Obama lover no matter what your reasoning is or how you portray it.

    Now get in line with the others who are blinded by partisan politics and help the Republicans continue to contribute to the downfall.:wavey:
     
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  2. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Dubya Daddy banned the importation of assault weapons after ONE school shooting.

    Did Obama even say anything about banning guns after several mass shootings one right after the other?
     

  3. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    I remember hearing the same crap during the Klinton years. America ain't dead yet.

    Boo!!! The boogeyman is around the corner!!!
     
  4. Quigley

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    Actually I am taking a stand ... for what I believe is right. This country was founded by a bunch of people that took a stand for what they believed was right. They didnt just accept things as being a way and then working within that system. They decided to stand up actually try to change things... even though it didn't appear in the beginning that they stood a chance. If everyone did what they believed to be right then I don't think this two party system would exist, but it has to start somewhere.
     
  5. Mushinto

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    :rofl:, I missed that.

    And, I went back and fixed my original post.
     
  6. G36's Rule

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    Don't compare yourself to the founders. You are just to scared to make a real choice. Admit it and make a real choice.
     
  7. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Drinking the Kool-Aid isn't making a "real" choice. Making a "real" choice is to vote with one's conscience.
     
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    Another response from DU...
     
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  9. Mushinto

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    This tactic by the left is working. They try to brainwash reasonable libertarians into throwing away their vote in order to give Obama another vote. They usually do this while making believe they are one themselves. Our resident socialist, FNFALMAN, is making us :rofl:, because we all know him. In fact, his position here is enough proof anyone would need to see this is a left wing ploy.

    Using the race card, voter fraud and this tactic is the only way they have a chance to win. Sadly, it may work.
     
  10. Hines57

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    I will vote for the person that best represents my beliefs.

    I trust our Founding Fathers.

    "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." — John Quincy Adams
     
  11. Acujeff

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    Gary Johnson was a Republican for his entire political career from 1994 to late 2011, when he abandoned his Republican primary candidacy. He's only been an official Libertarian for four months now.

    Ron Paul has been in Congress for over 23 years. While he has voted mostly pro-2A, I don't think he has written or initiated even one pro-2A bill. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Has Ron Johnson? Don't you want to know? Right now, gun-owners feel we cannot depend on Libertarians for recourse and relief from oppressive gun control.

    For gun owners - the problem is liberal anti-2A Democrats - and right now that's Obama and the Democrat leadership in congress. The threat to our RKBA is always initiated and lead by the Democrats who are proudly, and aggressively, anti-2A.

    If we get any recourse and relief from gun control it is always lead by the Republicans. The Republican leadership and base, and Romney, have only become more pro-2A. In this respect, gun owners do not define the Republicans as becoming more socialist, anti-2A or like Obama.

    So how is it good for gun owners to vote third party for a man, we know little about, who cannot win even one state, to split the vote and allow the Democrats to win? How is getting revenge on the Republicans for not nominating Ron Paul a superior judgment over helping Obama get a 2nd term?

    If we want to advance the Libertarian cause wouldn’t it make more sense to get more of them elected to governorships and state and federal congress before shooting for the Presidency? It’s obvious, the 2 parties got there that way and built a foundation of support in the public and congress. But the Libertarian party hasn't.

    Expecting immediate Presidential success or party parity shows an abysmal lack of planning and strategy. Demanding success and parity show an abysmal lack of political maturity. Calling for gun owners to seek symbolic revenge is just suicidal. It sends no constructive message whatsoever, other than some folks are willing to be politically self destructive for no purpose.

    Getting rid of the Democrats is the priority right now as far as gun owners and conservatives are concerned. Once Republicans hold the majority than there can be a chance to successfully move the party more conservative. From looking at the prominent speakers at the convention, and especially the up and comers, I think there are groups moving in that direction already. And that’s mostly due to the successful strategies of the conservatives and Tea Party .

    I think Ron and Rand Paul are trying to move the Republicans in that direction and that’s why they didn’t run as Libertarians. If they endorse Romney - what are you guys going to do then?
     
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    Never trust the info from a politicians website. Especially when his campaign says it wont let fact checkers dictate their campaign.
     
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    In 2004 Romney signed what the AP would later call “one of the toughest assault weapons laws in the country.

    Romney is an Obama on steroids.
     
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    I worry about this in the following order : Congress, Supreme Court, then the POTUS. Congress makes the laws, Supreme Court decides on the constitutionality of them and the POTUS picks justices but Congress must confirm them. As long as the right level of support is in Congress, they can block any attempts at any new laws or attempts by a POTUS who wants to nuke the 2nd by stacking the deck in the Supreme Court as justices die or retire. My fear on Obama isn't about what he'll do on the gun front, it's what he'll do on the economy front. Right now, he's got this country on a path to poverty and depending on the gov't.
     
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    Romney to pledge to fix troubled U.S. immigration system

    LOS ANGELES | Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:09am EDT
    (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney will pledge to Hispanics on Monday that if elected he will fix the troubled U.S. immigration system in an appeal to a rising voter bloc that overwhelmingly favors Democratic President Barack Obama.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/17/us-usa-campaign-romney-idUSBRE88C17C20120917
     
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    The 2A was broken a long time ago. Now we have scraps left.

    The damage was done by republicans and democrats alike.
     
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    What is known today as the highly restrictive gun control laws in MA were passed in 1998 (before Romney was Gov) by the Massachusetts legislature (over 85% anti-gun Democrat). It included MA’s permanent assault weapons ban that was more restrictive than the 1994 Fed AWB.

    Here’s the entire 1998 CHAPTER 180 AN ACT RELATIVE TO GUN CONTROL IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF MA

    http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/1998/Chapter180

    When the Fed ban expired in 2004, Gun Owners’ Action League (the MA based pro-2A group) and Gov Romney used the opportunity to amend the MA AWB by including the federal exemptions and a few other improvements that were not in the state law.

    Here it is:
    CHAPTER 150 AN ACT FURTHER REGULATING CERTAIN WEAPONS
    http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2004/Chapter150

    If Romney did not sign that bill, the more restrictive AWB would still be in place today. So the truth is - Romney reduced gun control in MA.

    Some Obama supporters on GT are trying to give the impression that Romney signed the AWB permanently into effect. Of course, they can't prove it. I have posted the links to the laws so Bill can document his false allegations.

    The liberal media has been misrepresenting Romney’s record and that’s why GOAL and the NRA published his entire record, so that gun owners could get the whole story.

    http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html
     
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    Quigley, I respect your opinion as it is clearly thought out. But I know economics and can tell you this: As far as the economy is concerned, if Obama is reelected, you can expect four more years just like the last four or much worse. I don't think we are headed into another great depression, but if we are it's Obama who will get us there.

    If Mitt Romney is reelected, you can expect the economy to start to recover...possibly much faster than you might imagine.

    There is a reason Thomas Sowell, a libertarian and one of the most well respected economists in the country, has endorsed Mitt Romney.

    As to those who are insisting that Romney is the same as Obama that is just pure nonsensical irrationality. Voting for Gary Johnson or whoever is insane.

    Let's say that you have cancer. Of course, you want to be perfectly healthy, but that's not an option. So, given the chance to trade your cancer for the flu, you say "No, I want to be perfectly healthy", even though you know that's not possible.
     
  19. fnfalman

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    If you want to talk about qualifications to do the job, Gary Joihnson was a successful two terms governor for New Mexico, a staunch gun rights advocate AND a self-made successful business owner.

    What does Romney got in way of qualifications?
    The Republicans had several opportunities to set the country right. in the last three decades. Haven't seen squat done yet.
     
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    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Here's to more Hope and Change.

    Chicken*** are the ones that don't dare to think for themselves. Oops, I'm sorry, that's lemmings. My apologies to chicken poopoo.
     
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