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This election will make or break the 2nd Amendment

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Fox, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. RonS

    RonS Millennium Member

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    That's like saying that this round of chemotherapy will make or break the patient' psiorisis.
     
  2. Arc Angel

    Arc Angel Deus Vult!

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    :upeyes: Do you realize, 'What' you're saying? I most sincerely hope that you are wrong; but I fear you might be only too correct. If what you've posted turns out to be true then we've already reached the end of the road; compliant mass socialism will take root; and western society will enter into a, 'Brave New World Order' where: guns, large knives, and overt acts of self-defense will be, at the very least, socially unacceptable.

    I'm an older man; I had hoped to live out the remainder of my life with my guns at hand; but, yes, more and more I find myself hoping for the best. One thing's for damned sure, though: All of this open carry nonsense isn't going to help the rest of us to keep our guns - That's for certain; but you've got to have an open and realistic mind in order to see it! :freak:
     

  3. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    So...which gun ban took place the last four years? Was the AWB renewed? Was there an import ban?

    And the BATF didn't harass gun shop owners under Dubya? Or Klinton? Or Dubya Daddy?
     
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    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Thanks for the fearmongering. We true patriots don't buy it.
     
  5. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    What does Fast and Furious have to do with gun ban?
     
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    Who needs Congress when you want to ban firearms!

     
  7. NIB

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    Because as assault weapons were flowing into Mexico into the hands of the cartels thanks to the BATF, the Obama administration was placing the blame on the 2nd Amendment and calling for restrictions on assault weapons for those very weapons they allowed into Mexico.
     
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    But no gun bans, right?
     
  9. RonS

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    Let's see. The mass media started airing stories of how "The majority of guns that have been traced in crimes in Mexico came from American gunshops." Then it was pointed out that the number of America guns used in crimes in Mexico was very, very small but that unless a weapon was likely to have come from an American gunshop it wasn't traced at all, that line stopped.

    So, they started Fast and Furious to put American guns into the hands of Mexican criminals under the pretext of running an investigation. Only they never investigated.

    So, if the pretext wasn't the reason, you have to go back and look at what actually happened and assume that what happened was what was intended.

    The ATF and Justice Department ordered American gun shop owners to sell guns to criminals to be transported to Mexico. It is plain that the Fast and Furious program was intended to provide news stories that would justify stricter gun control laws in the US.

    An American Border Patrol agent and no one knows how many innocent Mexican citizens were murdered for no more reason than to provide propaganda material.
     
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    Only because the frijoles were spilled and the public became aware of "Fast & Furious". Had that not happened you can bet that laws further restricting the 2nd Amendment would have been passed to "stop the flow of guns into Mexico".
     
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    Everyone should read this post in particular.

    Amazes me that after being told what obama has done against guns, that morons keep coming claiming obama has done nothing and Romney is just as bad.
     
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    Those that would read what Acujeff wrote and understand it already are going to vote for Romney. Those that will not, will never be able to see the forest for the trees.
     
  13. Hamrhed

    Hamrhed AKs & Glocks

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    Exactly what I was thinking. Just like my brother in law voting for Obama 4 years ago (without a real reason why) and then wondering why things got worse :faint:
     
  14. Quigley

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    My reasons for my vote are well thought out and could be easily explained in person but due to the complexity of trying to type it all I will try.

    I agree that BO is the worst and scariest president this country has ever seen. Although I do believe that our economy is past the point of saving at this time which is frightening. I don't even think that if Thomas Jefferson was in office that there would be much he could do to save it. We are about to head into another great depression, maybe even worse than the first one. With the way the Media spins things if it crashes under Obama then they will defend him but if it crashes under a Republican (all conservatives in the medias eye) then it will be the conservative mind set that caused it. Either way it will be the other side that gets the chance to get us out of it. If Romney is in office then the liberals will gain officer afterwards and claim that pure communism is the only way to turn the economy around. If it is a Obama then hopefully we will finally get a chance a true conservative, someone like Ron Paul and be able to actually turn this thing around. Either way I do believe that the only chance we have of getting back on track is a restart. Kinda like when you reboot your computer because it froze up.

    This flip flop back and forth with the democrats becoming more like communists and the Republicans becoming more like Democrats is getting very old. More and more gov't control on both sides and American's just keep buying into the lesser of two evils hype. When without really looking into the deep nitty-gritty of it all that the two candidates almost seem to mirror each other it is scary. Now upon digging into things a little deeper, it is obvious that there is a difference but lets be honest. Romney may not be Obama but he is definitely a Clinton if nothing else.

    I hope that with filling in the gaps and reading into my comments a little you will be able to see what I am getting at. I am not going to vote for Romney and watch this country collapse under a "conservative" I'm just not going to do it. It is time for a reboot.
     
  15. geofri

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    :cool: Cool.

    I don't know any libertarians over 25.. I like to see there is some age and wisdom on board with us!
     
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    You do realize that you are saying that guns, or availability of them, are the reason the agent and innocent Mexican citizens were killed. Ironically ... This is the favorite gun grabber argument (i.e., their whole failure to understand that guns don't kill people, people kill people).

    We can't have it both ways folks. The F&F operation is no more responsible for the BP agents death than my spoon is responsible for me being fat.
     
  17. G36's Rule

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    And the Democrat troll and multiple user name poster shows his face right on time for election 2012!

    How is stevemac doing this year ****er?
     
  18. Acujeff

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    "Bill Clinton said that President Obama inherited a deeply damaged economy. And if he's re-elected he'll inherit an even more deeply damaged economy." --comedian Jay Leno

    Quigley, your kung-fu is weak. It would be insane to vote for the worst man for the job and hope he fails rather then vote for the best man for the job and hope he succeeds.
     
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    All of those executive orders only dealt with what could be imported. You notice the actual gun ban which needed the force of law in '94 went through Congress.
     
  20. Quigley

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    Which is why I am voting third party because neither of them are the best man for the job.