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This election will make or break the 2nd Amendment

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Fox, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. banger

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    So, what you are saying is that it comes down to a "bad" choice and a "worse" choice.

    Obama is an enemy of the 2nd.

    and, Romney is no friend.

    BTW...just what did Romney do for the gun owners of Massachusetts?

    Look no further than is "buddy" Chris Christie (Governor of New Jersey), do you see any good coming out of those two?

    The way I see it is that one will go on television and say "sc**w you I'm talking your guns".

    The other will go on television wringing his hands, mustering the most mournful tone he can and say "I'm sorry, I'm forced to take your guns".

    I really don't see much of a difference.
     
  2. concretefuzzynuts

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    OK... here we go again...

    A vote for no one is a vote for Obama.

    A vote for a third party is a vote for Obama.

    A vote for Obama is, well obvious.

    It has become a race between bad and worse. Hold your nose and vote for Romney.

    I have been a Libertarian since 1984.
     
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  3. banger

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    Actually, there is a somewhat more positive third outcome.

    A re-elected Obama...and a Republican controlled Senate and House.

    This just MIGHT be the best outcome.

    Nothing on the "second" will go though, good or bad.

    We would simply have to "mark time" for four years until he next election.
     
  4. ray9898

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    Will it be magic or are you planning for the Republican controlled HOR to pass it?
     
  5. concretefuzzynuts

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    But there is the Supreme Court appointments that could spoil things. They are not elected.
     
  6. Acujeff

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    The main reason I support Romney over Obama - the upcoming Supreme Court appointments.

    We were fortunate that 5 Supreme Court Justices in Heller and McDonald confirmed the Second Amendment as an individual right to armed self defense and must be applied to all levels of government. And, in case you forgot, we were fortunate that Bush, often labeled not pro gun enough, appointed Alito and Roberts as Justices to make that pro-Second Amendment majority and obtain that opinion.

    However, the minority opinion by the other four Justices was that the Second Amendment:

    - did not protect a private right of armed self-defense
    - does not apply to the states
    - does not apply to individuals outside of the militia context

    If there were five, instead of four, anti-Second Amendment Justices the RKBA would have been effectively written out of the Bill of Rights.

    It could still happen. The composition of the Court can change and prior decisions can be overturned.

    Four US Supreme Court Justices (Scalia, Kennedy, Breyer and Ginsburg) will be over the age of 80 by the end of Obama's second term. He could likely appoint 4 more Justices if he is re-elected - all of whom will be making momentous decisions about our lives for decades to come.. An anti-gun Court would be free to re-define and dismantle the RKBA out of existence. The current anti-gun Justices have already stated their intention to do exactly that.

    Anti-Second Amendment Justice Ginsberg has stated that the majority opinions in this case are “grievously mistaken”, that minority opinions would be used to rewrite legal history and create a purely “collective right connected to the militia” and she looks forward to the day a “future, wiser court“ overturns Heller. John Paul Stevens recently told Time magazine the one thing in particular he would change about the American judicial system “I would change the interpretation of the Second Amendment. The court got that quite wrong.”

    Obama appointed anti-Second Amendment Justices, Sotomayor and Kagan. Given the opportunity he will do it again. All they need is one more like minded Justice to get a majority of five anti’s and implement their stated agenda through the courts.

    If that happens we’ll never see a pro-RKBA victory again in our lifetime.

    There are already more RKBA cases headed to the Supreme Court involving the private right of armed self-defense outside the home and the heavy restrictions in places like Chicago and Washington DC.

    In addition, since taking office, Obama has appointed 125 anti-RKBA liberals to federal judgeships, including 25 to appellate courts. At present, there are 86 vacancies on district and appellate courts, 39 of which already have pending nominees before the Senate. I don’t think it’s in gun owners best interests to encourage us to give him a second term and the opportunity to appoint more anti-RKBA judges and justices.

    Though there are a few folks revising and misrepresenting his record, Romney has a much better record and a much better choice for gun owners than Obama. He is campaigning on appointing conservative Supreme Court Justices like Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito.

    In order to do that, we have to fire Obama and hire Romney. If gun owners don’t care about a pro-RKBA Supreme Court, why should the rest of the voters?

    http://www.mittromney.com/issues/courts-constitution

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-set-to-ok-most-pro-gun-platform-ever/article/2506043
     
  7. Rob1109

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    This election will make or break the United States!!
     
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  8. adamg01

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    I never said it would pass but I do think this is pretty much gauranteed that he will try this. I fear a lot of Repubs would vote for this also. "Assault rifle owners" make up a small percentage of the firearm owning community. A lot of politicians don't associate them with hunting or sporting purposes. I hope I am wrong.
     
  9. SCHADENFREUDE

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    It's impossible for him to ban guns. All you have to do is say you lost them in a fishing accident or sold them all. The government is just going to believe you and go away. Everything is fine and it all's going to work out in the end. I even think the economy is going to come back. I think China will fail and all the jobs are going to come back to the homeland. They not only will come back but they will pay us all $50 an hour. And on top of that $50 an hour the prices of goods will go down so that we can buy even more. It's all going to be good.
     
  10. badge315

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    I don't know if that's as true now as it once was. You can currently purchase "assault rifles" at many Wal-Mart stores; that's pretty mainstream.
     
  11. tarpleyg

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    You are sadly mistaken.

    Obama has admitted that he does not believe in the private ownership of guns. He voted against the 2nd Amandment everytime he had a chance while a Senator. He disallowed the importation of thousands of surplus rifles from Korea, along with Billary Klintoon. He told the Brady Campaign that they would get to gun control but only when the time was right. The White House web site had a very detailed plan to reinstate the assault weapon ban posted shortly after he took office. That was quickly taken down. By executive order he implemented the gun buying regulations in the border states after the Fast and Furious brew ha ha. He knew about Fast and Furious which was a clear attempt at fabricating a reason for more gun control. He supports the UN's small arms treaty. He appointed 2 rabidly anti-gun, lying supreme courts justices.

    What else do you want him to do or say?

    My biggest concern is what he'll put in the federal courts and supreme court. Try this on for size...Chief Justice Eric Holder. If that one single possibilty does not scare the **** out of you then you should seek help.

    Greg
     
  12. Quigley

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    I vote Gary Johnson, not bc he stands a chance but bc I see no difference in Obamney. Who says that Romney will elect progun SCJs?


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  13. Java Junky

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    Maybe I'm missing something here.
    Isn't the flim-flam man ('bama) involved in side-stepping and trying to sic the UN on our second amendment?
    Hasn't the flim-flam man blatantly said one thing to get support and then done just the opposite? (Transparent government and good-conduct in his promised new-order come to mind.)
    I have never witnessed a more anti-American president and been dumbstruck by his no-matter-what believers.

    The system has, with few exceptions, always been one of the-lesser-of-two-evils. Nothing's perfect, and failing an immediately available alternative you deal with things the best you can.
    To not vote as a solution?
    I can't even comment on that.
    Concretefuzzynut, I thank you for putting it so well:
    "A vote for no one is a vote for Obama.

    A vote for a third party is a vote for Obama.

    A vote for Obama is, well obvious."

    And I might add that a vote for Obama is akin to the dinosaurs checking off the "extinction" box on their choice cards.
    (I'm waiting for the flim-flam man to announce that Bush was responsible for the movie that's got the Muslims attacking our embassies.)
    2016: see it.
     
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  14. fnfalman

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    That's true for the lemmings. Not for the rest of us thinking Americans.
     
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    Substitute Romney for Obama and that's exactly what the libtards are whining about right now.

    You fearmongering extremists make me laugh.
     
  16. concretefuzzynuts

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    Glad I could brighten your day. :wavey:
     
  17. Java Junky

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    So . . then . . I'm assuming that to "think" is to piss away your vote?
    'Jus' tryin'a unnastan'.
     
  18. Slug71

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    Its NOT pissing away your vote.

    Its standing to what YOU believe in. Not bending to the system and being a damn sheep!
     
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    A ban like ROMNEY signed??
     
  20. concretefuzzynuts

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    I can assume no one has ever changed their minds. For what ever reasons.