The worst maritime disaster ever?

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  1. seagravedriver

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    I have read of that event multiple times. Private citizens seems to get the short end of the stick. Trying to get out of an area that was home for generations, (along with others, yes). This was tragedy on so many levels. It does not take long to look around and realize, despite our problems, we, in the U.S., have it really good. God rest their souls.
     
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    I have read of that event multiple times. Private citizens seems to get the short end of the stick. Trying to get out of an area that was home for generations, (along with others, yes). This was tragedy on so many levels. It does not take long to look around and realize, despite our problems, we, in the U.S., have it really good. God rest their souls.
     

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    Interesting thread, but.... these are mostly Wartime "disasters". During combat, what is a "disaster" for one side is usually a great victory to be celebrated for the other.

    Should separate things between wartime and peacetime.
     
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    I'm sure the same could be said for the USS Arizona, which is also considered a war grave.
     
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    I agree, and think they should recover as much as possible, while still leaving the ship itself there.
     
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    Not sure how a boat full of Nazis being sunk in combat ranks as a disaster.
     
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    To what end?
     
  8. 50 Cent

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    There are only two vessels -- submarines and targets.
     
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    They were Mongols.

    "And there was much rejoicing!"
     
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    Same way the Arizona remains an active US military cemetery. Survivors of the attack are permitted by the USN to have their ashes either scattered over the wreck or placed in an urn in Turret #4.

    https://www.history.com/news/5-facts-about-pearl-harbor-and-the-uss-arizona

    And I bet there are still remains on board the Arizona.
     
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    Not debating the legitimacy of the sinking for a moment. It was war, and this was a legit target. The only thing is, lots of those aboard were families (lots of mothers, kids, etc.), just fleeing refugees. That's the tragedy of the event.
     
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    Different culture I guess. Once cemetery, always cemetery. It's not like the bodies are not decomposing at the traditional graveyard. They disappearing after 20 years usually. There would be a public outcry in Poland if anybody would decide to desecrate the ship, even though it was carrying our enemies. Dead is dead and no longer an enemy in my culture.
     
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    The ship was armed and also transported the soldiers, which made it a legitimate military target. Nonetheless it was a tragic ending to many thousand of civilians as well. Nonetheless, while maintaining some kind of respect for the victims, we should also remember that it was a Nazi war ship.
     
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    They brought it to themselves.
     
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    While I realize some were just Germans and not all of them were true Nazi filth, that’s just how war was back then.

    We bombed cities flat for one or two factories.

    Or what happened in Dresden, or Tokyo. Not to mention nuking two cities.


    It simply is how things were. Plus, they were Nazis.
     
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    One would think that if you can make a hut, tables, chairs, and a radio out of coconuts, you'd figure out how to plane wood into a plank and repair the Minnow.

    And, while on the subject, what were the Howell's doing on such a dinky little boat? And did Ginger really go out for a day cruise in a sequined gown? And...
     
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    I agree, I did fail to mention that. It was a warship in time of war. I am noticing a disturbing trend in whitewashing the "German Army" in WW2, "all were heroes" etc. " All, SS included. I have visited Dachau, and my dad fought in WW2. The "Hell Ships" that prisoners of the Japanese were placed in then taken to other locations are another slice of Hell. As you probably know, many were torpedoed my American, British and I believe Dutch submarines, killing their own countrymen. The ships were unmarked, carrying no POW or Red Cross ID. There was a horrible amount of tragedy to go around for everyone.
     
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    I thought one of the reasons Doenitz got off with just 10 years was the fact the allies bombed a U-Boat (with red crosses displayed) in the process of rescuing Italian POW's.
     
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