OK- not bashing women, just relaying my observations and concerns after dealing with a variety of women in my life. When I was young, I dated a lot. Mostly for sport. However, I did date a lot of women, so I have a broad (but possibly shallow) basis of knowledge about them. Generally, it seemed to me that most of them looked to find a father figure/protector/provider. I am currently going through a divorce, but we have been seperated since last summer (she's doing the paperwork- don't ask why it's taking so long). When we met, she was a Captain in the British army. She was brash, bossy, and very independent- a 'typical' feisty redhead. We sometimes butted heads, but I wouldn't have wanted it otherwise. I want a Woman- not a girl. If I wanted to be someone's daddy- I'd have kids. Last weekend, I went to my (soon-to-be ex) wife's house to do taxes- as it works out best for us to file jointly for '09. She tells me (unbidden) that she is exploring the BDSM 'lifestyle.' She says she is a submissive, and she goes on to say that it isn't about sex; she likes being told what to do- to let someone else be in charge. She tells me that her former "tough persona" was a result of social conditioning- being told repeatedly that a 'modern' woman should be this way, but that she is happy to leave that behind. This is just the latest of many observations. It seems to me that no matter how "strong and independent" a woman presents herself to be these days, once you scratch the surface, there is a weak, pathetic creature looking to be taken care of. Has anyone else noted this? Is it just me- have I become cynical about it? Where are the real Women at!?!