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The Panic of 2013 Ends Tuesday

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Restless28, Jan 13, 2013.

  1. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    But so many here support "Prohibited Classes", allowing the government to prohibit legal purchase of guns by mentally ill or felons.

    Their support of "Prohibited Classes" may just come to bite some of them on the ass.
     
  2. Z71bill

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    This -


    You volunteer to eat one small **** sandwich and then another and another - after a while you are eating 12" **** subs for lunch and can't recall what a turkey sandwich tastes like - some may even start to like the taste of a **** sandwich.
     
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  3. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    They cut deals to have casinos built on their lands and reap the money from White Eyes?
     
  4. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

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    Its all very simple.

    1st. "Toughen laws" on the mentally ill purchasing guns because it is the right thing to do.

    2nd. How do we know Joe isn't mentally ill? It used to be Joe needed to be judged mentally ill but as we have seen, there have been a lot of people not judged ill until after the fact. So, the way to keep the mentally ill from obtaining guns? Easy, if Joe isnt mentally ill, he will have no problem submitting to a govt psych check. Once the govt approved doctor clears him, he can then own a gun.
     
  5. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Been prescribed an SSRI during a divorce?

    Treated for anxiety during a stressful time?

    ADD? As a child?

    PTSD?

    Sought counseling for marital problems?




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  6. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

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    Normal civilians dont get that so who cares?
     
  7. wirenut

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    I quote the acting commander of the 101st airborn division at Bastogne, "NUTS"
     
  8. G26S239

    G26S239 NRA Patron

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    General Anthony McAuliffe. Those were tough men.
     
  9. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Of course. What was I thinking

    YOU DON'T LET THE VAMPIRE INTO THE HOUSE!


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  10. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    Yeah, but it's the 100 years of waiting first that really sucks. Your great grandkids will have AWESOME guns. . . or a casino. I forget.

    Define normal.
     
  11. Stephenthesuave

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    PTSD is not limited to war vets. I also find it highly insulting that you would be ok with thousands of war vets (aka my friends) being barred from owning firearms because of a PTSD diagnosis.
     
  12. mixflip

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    I can see the libs getting a law passed that restricts face to face private gun sales with no background checks. That is the method a criminal or mentally ill person will go logically and both sides know it.

    How will they enforce it? I have no idea???

    It will most likely just end up being part of the information noted after a shooting. "Breaking news-Shooter kills 3, gun used was bought illegally". The law will only effect us law abidding citizens and do nothing to stop folks who ignore the new law and criminals.
     
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  13. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    He's being sarcastic. He's on your side
     
  14. warhog

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    I will leave this here about PTSD....

    Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, wants veterans who have been deemed “mentally incompetent” to have their cases adjudicated by a judge — rather than the Department of Veterans Affairs, as happens currently — and argued that veterans who simply cannot support themselves financially are needlessly given the label and, as such, cannot buy or possess firearms.

    Coburn amendment #3109 proposed "to protect the Second amendment rights of veterans" by revising Chapter 55 of title 38, United States Code, Sec. 5503.

    In any case arising out of the administration by the Secretary of laws and benefits under this title, a person who is mentally incapacitated, deemed mentally incompetent, or experiencing an extended loss of consciousness shall not be considered adjudicated as a mental defective under subsection (d)(4) or (g)(4) of section 922 of title 18 without the order or finding of a judge, magistrate, or other judicial authority of competent jurisdiction that such person is a danger to himself or herself or others.

    “We’re not asking for anything big,” Coburn explained on the Senate floor Thursday. “We’re just saying that if you’re going to take away the Second Amendment rights -- they ought to have it adjudicated, rather than mandated by someone who’s unqualified to state that they should lose their rights.”

    However, as soon as New York Democrat Sen. Charles E. Schumer discovered that Coburn’s pitch was part of a bundle of amendments tucked into the NDAA, he quickly objected.

    “I love our veterans,” Schumer prefaced his opinion. “I vote for them all the time, they defend us.”

    Despite his professions of “love” for “our veterans,” Schumer then equated military veterans with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder to convicted criminals.

    But if you are mentally ill, whether you’re a veteran or not, just like if you’re a felon, if you’re a veteran or not, and you have been judged to be mentally infirm, you should not have a gun.

    Against Schumer’s claim that he votes for them “all the time,” according to BradyCampaign.org, Schumer was one of three Democrats who “championed” the National Instant Check System Improvement Act of 2007. While the law “strengthens the Brady Law’s National Instant Check System (NICS)” and makes it “harder for criminals and other dangerous people to buy firearms,” it also strips veterans being treated for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder of their Second Amendment rights.

    “As the first new federal gun control law in more than a decade,” the website explains, “it also helps lay the groundwork to expand Brady background checks to all gun sales.”

    According to Schumer’s website, “writing and helping” to “pass” the Brady Bill is among what he considers to be his greatest “accomplishments” as a senator.

    When a veteran is declared incompetent, the Veterans Administration (VA) appoints fiduciaries, often family members, to manage their pensions and disability benefits. Because of Schumer’s NICS Improvement Act of 2007, the VA also automatically enters the names of those veterans in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which prohibits them from buying or owning firearms.

    Coburn sought to amend Chapter 55 of title 38, United States Code to prohibit the VA from entering those names into the system.

    North Carolina Republican Sen. Richard Burr proposed similar legislation -- the Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act – in Oct. 2011.

    “All I am saying,” Coburn said during Thursday’s Senate debate, “is let them at least have their day in court if you are going to take away a fundamental right given under the Constitution.”

    “We’re talking about people who have some form of disability to the extent that they’re unable to manage their own affairs,” said Dan Gross, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. “If you’re deemed unable to handle your own affairs, that’s likely to constitute a high percentage of people who are dangerously mentally ill.”


    Summary
    A query of VHA health care utilization databases using the May 2012 DMDC roster
    yielded a total of 239,174 OEF/OIF/OND Veterans coded with PTSD at a VAMC and
    51,173 Veterans who received Vet Center service for PTSD. Of these, 205,647 were seen
    only at a VAMC; 17,646 only at a Vet Center; and 33,527 were seen at both facilities. In
    summary, based on the electronic patient records available through June 30, 2012, a
    grand total of 256,820 OEF/OIF/OND Veterans were seen for potential PTSD at VHA
    facilities following their return from Iraq or Afghanistan.
     
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  15. Stephenthesuave

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    Hair trigger...

    :slowly backs away:
     
  16. Glock20 10mm

    Glock20 10mm Use Linux!

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    Pretty much what I have been saying as well. No more compromises, not more ground to be lost. Enough with violating the 2nd Amendment.
     
  17. Roering

    Roering Sorting nuts

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    I'm for background checks so long as they are fast and cheap.
     
  18. BRoberts243

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    We've already compromised enough.
    Those who advocate compromising a little more are the same as the frog in the pot of water. They've already turned the heat up a significant amount... any more "compromises" and the water will start boiling...
     
  19. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    I'm for regulating people's lives less, not more.
     
  20. Roger1079

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    There won't be any buyers remorse here. Picked up a couple hi cap glock and pmags. Also picked up a Saiga 12 and a Scar 16. Paid less than retail for both. The panic just gave me the kick in the butt to actually spend the cash on stuff I wanted anyway.