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Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by Tomcat1977, Jun 10, 2020.
Apparently he wasn't keen on being arrested.
Still looks like passive resistance. Looks like the 2 officers were trying not to use force.
Still looks like a knee to the neck is not warranted. Nor is holding it on him for almost 9 minutes.
I would like to know when EMS was requested, and by who.
Yep definite passive resistance. If I remember correctly the first two officers are the rookies. So I get the senior officers trying to let them handle it at first. Then they probably said something like “we got this” and started taking over.
I think that is important when it comes to the two holding his legs not intervening. Just thinking back to being on my own the first few days you really defer to senior officers in wacky situations.
It still doesn’t justify kneeing on him really ever but certainly not for that long.
We're still not seeing everything. In my view, it really looks like he was resisting getting in the cruiser. This video still didn't show him going to the ground.
I take it Minneapolis doesn't run a paddy wagon?
Nobody said a knee to the neck was warranted.
So, passive resistance is all it takes to have them give your family a folded American flag at a ceremony honoring you?
What happened was a preventable tragedy, but the democrats have rendered the ceremony of giving the family of a fallen hero a folded flag meaningless now. In fact they have made it rather insulting by honoring the "fallen" habitual criminal, drug addict" with a ceremony and a flag.
Where is body cam footage?
In the evidence vault.
Just a reminder to the folks who want to endlessly bash cops as a whole that Tomcat, who is a retired police officer, posted this in COPTALK, where we, the other cops here, are going to endlessly dissect it and look at it from the various technical persepctives that come with a few centuries of combined experience of dealing with resistant suspects; Note that no one here will excuse the improper behaviors in this incident.
If you have something constructive, please post it; If you merely want to push an agenda, opine about how bad cops or snidely compare this incident to past incidents as proof of some sort of widespread pattern, please start your own thread elsewhere, this one is for the cops here to talk shop on this incident.
From all the cops here,
social media just don't work that way.
Actually, in this particular subforum, which has it's own advisory, it does;
Most of us here would prefer to get ahead of the thread hijack, and hopefully prevent the thread being locked.
Understanding that different places talk differently, here that's defensive resistance. (Actions taken to prevent an officer's control or to escape, without attempting to harm the officer.). Passive resistance is dead weight, turtle kind of stuff.
As stated above, here it works that way. Just letting all y'all know that the thread is on the radar.
Whoa... in before the lock!
This additional view doesn’t appear to reveal much. I believe there was a clip from this same camera which appeared to show a struggle in the back. I have yet to see something that shows how and when he was pulled out.
That view would allow us to understand more of what happened.
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Is it standard practice that the public can request and get bodycam footage AFTER a trial is over? I hope that it eventually does come out. If they are not found guilty on the basis of information in the bodycam footage and the public is not aware of this evidence, I think that will be a bad day.
More than likely the BWC will come out at trial if there is one. If not then I still don’t see them keeping it hidden. They’d probably release it regardless once the case is over.
Yeah, knee in the neck for nine minutes is still too long.
It's a very useful tool, when used for a minute or so. But it's probably gone from the collective LE tool box now.
There are multiple videos out that show him resisting getting out of his own car and resisting getting into the back of the car. There is also a video that shows him hiding/dropping what appears to be something white in a small bag on the sidewalk where he was asked to sit down. Another video shows him fighting in the back of the car, he pushes out the other side and into traffic where the cops jump on him. I would like to see the video that this image is from. I have not seen the video where he pushes out the door into traffic from this side. Someone has it but it's not being released. It would show that 3-4 cops couldn't get him into the back of the car.
He is a big guy.