The Libertarian Betrayal

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  1. rock_castle

    rock_castle Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

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    I am still trying to get my head wrapped around what Libertarians stand for. They seem to suffer from a lack cohesive values, and that has understandably confused me about who they are.

    I sort of think of them as Conservative Lite?


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    hogship A republic, if you can keep it! Silver Member

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    For some Libertarians, it's a "safe space" where they can be non-committal on the issues. These people take no stand, and tell us they listen to both sides of any given issue, before they decide what they believe. The problem is, they seem to always have mediocre beliefs, that are watered down versions of either side's strongly held beliefs.
     
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    Uh, not so much. The Libertarian party is not what it set out to be. It has been hijacked but liberals. A true Libertarian is someone like Barry Goldwater, the unofficial founder of the Libertarian Party.
     
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    The "Swedish American Party" ... (without actual Swedes)
     
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    I was once registered as a Libertarian in California in the 80's. I was literally a card-carrying Libertarian and met and campaigned for Libertarian candidates who stood steadfastly for limited government.

    But things changed and I didn't leave the Libertarian party, it left me. they originally were against unnecessary foreign intervention and gradually they got to the point to where they were completely isolationist and increasingly anti-military and that was just one position that they began to share with the Liberals. Open borders was the other.

    Finally in 1996 they ran two candidates for president that removed all doubt that they had gone off the deep end. Gary Johnson and William Weld were two former Republicans and Weld, a former Massachusetts governor, was to the Left of Mitt Romney. And in discussion on policy differences between these two "Libertarians" and the Republican and Democrat candidates, they disagreed with Trump on just about every issue but had little or no disagreement with Hillary Clinton.
     
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    Rand Paul is about the closest we come today to an actual Libertarian. I like him better than his father who seemed to get crazier as he got older and I've followed his career for a long time.

    I don't always agree with Rand Paul but I believe he's a man of principle and many of his principles are actual Libertarian small government principles.
     
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    The best example I can give of 'true' libertarian beliefs is this:
    Leftist: We think same sex couples should be allowed to marry
    Conservative: We think marriage is between men and women
    Libertarian: Why the hell is government involved in this topic at all?

    The hardest part of being a philosophically consistent libertarian is letting people you disagree with have as much freedom as you demand for yourself. Some folks can't manage it.

    Larry
     
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  9. BobbyS

    BobbyS Truth always sounds like lies to a sinner

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    But then I met some libertarians. world-class oddballs, misfits, potheads, and crackpots.

    and these are just the ones on GT
     
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    I don't think there are many folks that are hard core Libertarian to the point that they actually would vote Libertarian.
    To me anyway, Libertarian is a background attitude.

    Any vote for a third party is a wasted vote.
     
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    Who cares if someone smokes pot? I don't care if someone snorts cocaine, as long as they're not a commie.
     
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    "Conservatives": "The ATF is unconstitutional, but the DEA is A-okay!"
     
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    Oh hell, I met most of these folks back in the early 70’s; they were all hippies. Later on I met a few of them again (around the mid to later 80’s), they were witches/pagans, and were still trying to cling to their hippie core values. That period of my life was interesting to say the least.

    GT doesn’t much bother me since I feel like I have been close to the edge a couple of times. This crowd is rather tame by comparison. There are a few eccentrics here, but mostly you all are fairly tame. And I like it like this.

    The Libertarians though I am going to have to work on that a bit.


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    But the ATF are unconstitutional.


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    They are, but so is the DEA. They are both just as unconstitutional. Funny how alcohol prohibition takes amending the Bill of Rights, but not drug prohibition.
     
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    Sorry to burst your bubble, but you do realize The Founding Fathers were be sort of considered paganish today. Yes, they believed in a God, but there is pagan imagery all over DC. They were for the most part, deists. Also despite the conspiracy theories, the pagan imagery they used isn't Santanic. They studied religions and sort of build homages to a creator. Despite what the left says though, they did absolutely believe freedom is absolute.
     
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    Libertarians fail to see the importance of placing things in their proper order.

    To have open borders first you must end the welfare state.

    End the Welfare State then get back to me.

    Plus you need a moral society for this to work; an impossibility especially now.

    Libertarian gun owners who waste their vote on people like Gary Johnson show just how silly their thinking is.

    And the people in the article who are Libertarians voting for Biden only because of their hate for Trump are plain old Liberals in disguise.
     
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    Less government need a party.

    I prefer independent
     
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    The smallest Republic is the Individual.

    True Conservativism honors the sacredness of the Individual and his sovereignty under natural law. The act of existing endows these rights.

    Because our rights come from our Creator, not from a government. And therefore, no government has authority over them. But rather a duty to protect and defend those rights.


    I haven't found a political party that truly believes this yet.
     
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