The latest incident in Buffalo NY

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  1. ChiefWPD

    ChiefWPD

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    The video of the "incident."
    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8390857/Two-Buffalo-police-officers-suspended-video-shows-shoving-elderly-man-ground.html

    Copy of an email I just sent to my friends on Cape Cod:

    "The Buffalo incident. I watched the video. The officers did nothing wrong. Nothing at all. They pushed back someone approaching them while advancing on protesters. He tripped when moving back, and cracked his head. Period, end of story.

    The entire Emergency Response Unit of the Buffalo PD has now resigned from that voluntary position. If I were a member of the Buffalo PD, facing off on demonstrators, when given a command by a superior officer to stop some untoward activity on the part of one of the participants, I’d simply “take a knee.”

    But, that’s just me."
     
  2. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    They shoved the guy hard enough he back peddle for several feet before tripping and going down, and it wasn't like they could not tell he was elderly.

    But the most damning part is the one officer tried to render aid and was prevented from doing so, you could easily see the blood beneath the guys head on the sidewalk.
     
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  3. blueiron

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    Two BPD cops were suspended, pending the investigation and that's fine, but to suspend them without pay?

    There's a lot of throwing out due process rights in this time of protesting for rights.
     
  4. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    Yeah no due process is the current "thing" administrators don't care, they won't personally face repercussions and so what if the city has to pay out all that money before they fire them properly?

    They are responding to the mob, who demand there be no due process that officers not only are not entitled to due process and a fair trial. They are to be convicted and sent to prison immediately.

    That is how socialism works,

    "show me the man and I will show you the crime."
     
  5. cowboy1964

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    Unless the OLD MAN put hands on the cop there is absolutely no excuse to be pushing him so hard that he falls and cracks his head open on concrete. And if he HAD put hands on, then they should have taken him into custody, not assaulted him. Is common sense and proportional response completely dead?

    They better hope he doesn't die from this.
     
  6. BL33D 4 M3

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    Bait taken. Hook, line and sinker.
     
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    They were advancing, the line does NOT stop....it keeps moving forward. The supervisor who grabbed the officer who wanted to stop was rifhr. the element behind them, with the medics rendered aid.

    That was a classic line manauever, and that's exactly how it is done, straight out of Field Force Ops school.
     
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  8. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

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    Disagree, strongly. The line doggies don't stop for such. And especially when there's a crowd a few yards away waiting to see what happened to the bait they dangled. The guy on the ground belongs to the medics behind the line, and was in fact treated by them.
     
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  9. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

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    1. He did.
    1a. I can practically guarantee they planned for an arrest, to further inflame the crowd. The cops didn't bite. Pity that an avowed leftist (Google him) got hurt, but he bears some responsibility. So does bad luck.
    2. The open handed push used is so low on the force scale as to be nearly invisible. This one was so light, as to be a model of restraint. He tripped, and that he did so as part of an act isn't out of the realm of possibility.
    3. He's medically fine, though that will probably change after he consults counsel.
     
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  10. newglocker10mm

    newglocker10mm Texas Born & Bred

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    After viewing the video, the "victim" did advance on the officers, put his hands either on them or in close proximity to them, was arguing and received a one handed push from an officer, stumbled back about three steps and fell. I think what we have been watching was a planned "assault" in which the "victim" had no intention of whacking his head when he fell. Unless that officer had a monumentally strong push from a very close distance I'm beginning to smell a setup. Also to note: medical personnel from the hospital to which he was taken stated that upon being seen, the "victim" was perfectly alert and oriented. Not exactly indicative of a vicious assault. I'll state it again: You are responsible for your actions and the consequences thereof.
     
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  11. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

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    Don’t forget that the order to disperse had already been given.
     
  12. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    "The crowd waiting..." In other words, not rioting, not putting lives and property at risk.

    Now I could be wrong but to my knowledge they were advancing in order to clear the street. Instead of shoving an obviously elderly man. they could have simply walked by him.

    Before you try telling me no they couldn't or shouldn't let me point out that is precisely what they did, (walk past him) After he was laying bleeding on the sidewalk.

    For what? So they could clear the street?

    I belong to a much earlier time on the job and my boss did not have a PC bone in his body. But if that were me in that video shoving an elderly guy and knocking him down, I would have been fired.

    Again, if what they were doing was clearing the street and not responding to an active riot in progress the officer that shoved him and the one the one that prevented the officer from checking him in that video is not going to get a pass.
     
  13. BL33D 4 M3

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    Especially in that state. Cuomo is already calling for scalps.
     
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    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    I seriously doubt the guy was seriously injured. He is 75 and at that age their skin is paper thin,easily torn, hence the immediate blood on the sidewalk.
     
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    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    Very true, but the fact remains that video won't play well in ANY state much less there.

    If he was bait, he quickly found a sucker to go for it.
     
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    57 Buffalo cops resign from response team after officers suspended for shoving 75-year-old man to ground; DA investigating incident

    Every incident now is magnified 1000 times, and the non peaceful protesters, low life looters, antifa thugs, and ass holes will probably be offered the jobs of the 57 officers who resigned for trying to clean up the liberal's crap on the streets, while the liberal's are allowed to crap on them too.


     
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  17. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

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    This is one case where you’re just off base. Order to disperse is give, then everyone remaining is breaking the law and is part of an illegal assembly. NO ONE gets bypassed by your skirmish line to do who-knows-what behind your back. Age and gender are utterly irrelevant.

    And “they left him behind anyway” is a total misdirection. I’m sure you can see the difference between a guy up and about, like you just advocated, and a supine guy being attended by armed medics. The supervisor that redirected the would-be care giver and tried to keep integrity of the line was exactly right. He was proven so when the screamers got physically engaged less than 30 seconds later.

    Sorry that your old boss was just as reactionary as the current Buffalo staff. Doesn’t make him right. The OP is correct: the cops did nothing wrong. Sometimes things go sideways just because.
     
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    So what is the tactic if someone refuses to move? What would have happened according to policy if the protester had sat down in front of the officers?
     
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    rock_castle Enjoys liberal temper tantrums & hissy fits

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    Yep. Past curfew. He shouldn't have been there.
     
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    Why do people try and test the limits? You have cops in riot gear advancing on you, in the midst of a nationwide emergence of anarchy...c'mon. Go home, and watch it on TV. Dumbass.
     
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