The Future Of .40 Cal ?

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by ChrisD46, Jul 28, 2019.

  1. Teecher45

    Teecher45

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    No, I just prefer the tests to actually mean something.


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    I'll aim the first shot, you can spray and pray if you want to.
     

  3. slamdunc

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    Well good for you then, and I did say that someone like you probably wouldn't get much out of those types of tests anyway.
     
  4. George Kaplan

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    The .40 has no future. It's swirling in the toilet bowel as we speak.
     
  5. fredj338

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    Well target accuracy is fine but accuracy at speed is where its at in defensive shooting. Jmo, standing flat footed & a Shooting a target isnt showing your combat accuracy. To each their own though.
     
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    Why is it that people call shooting & hitting fast spray & pray? Its really simple, if I land more hits on you you than you can on me, I probably win. If your first com shot on target is 3sec, I have alrwady landed 5-6, from the holster, hardly spray & pray. Cant quite do that with a 40 or 45, close, very close but not quite. Does it matter, maybe not, but given the terminal perf is so close with good 9mm, choose the one you shoot best, at speed, always at speed. Anyne can land an aimed shot from anything handheld if you give them enough time.
     
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    I am not a expert like you Fred, I do know your idea of "Combat accuracy' is pure fantasy and I do not use it. I can develop my own daydream scenarios. None are real though, so don't tell me how I will react as you don't know how things will happen.

    Standing 'Flat Footed' Shooting at paper with one gun and then doing the same with another gun certainly can be a basis to compare one to the other. You insist that only if I include your "Combat Happy Joe" caveats will testing be valid. Bravo Sierra.

    I have been to courses that offer turning targets and have a speed element to them just for you Fred. I recall thinking "Gee I bet 'Ol Fredj338 would like being here" but after that Fred I just forgot about you and tried being faster. I am happy with me Fred, truly I am, and I know you have the money and wherewithal to do more and better. Great! I'll just do what I can, and do it with a .40.
     
  8. G26-Has-my-6

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    here ya go! based on this test it looks like we should all be using 9mm when in brown bear country. Get rid of those 10mm pistols (PM me for my address to send all those inferior 10mm pistols).

    in all seriousness, gel tests don't tell the whole story.
     
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  9. slamdunc

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    Yeah, those were just a few ideas for testing and not based on calibers. I’ve shot my share of pork shoulders over the years and collected a few projectiles pulled from them just a way, not the way.
     
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    OK, ONE MAN'S OPINION.
    FWIW, it is not fantasy to deliver fast accurate hits. I am not the fastest shooter by far but really, you have little idea what you can do unless it is timed. So yes, turning targets are very valid, just like a shot timer. So I am sure your split times on a controlled pair mattered in that drill? Well unless the target had a 3sec presentation? Carry on.
     
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  11. Lowcountry_Glocker

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    .40 is alive and well at the LCG compound and will remain in use.
    I've a personal G22.3 and carry a G22.4 on duty every day, I trust my life to it and have absolute confidence in the firearm and my ability to shoot it. that is a very nice feeling. This is important for EDC but doubly important in a line of work where you are far more likely to need to deploy it than as a civilian in a SD situation. To have that piece of mind, and confidence, is a very nice feeling. I could not imagine carrying a different firearm for work, except maybe a G31.

    I have shot untold thousands of rounds through G22s. To me, it is the perfect gun. And I shoot it well, very well.
    I also like my 10's. Have a G20 and a G29.

    The day my agency switches to a 9MM platform will be a very sad day. For me, the round does not inspire confidence. I just do not like it. This is purely opinion and not based off tests. .40 works for me, and it is a helluva round. I LOVE it.
     
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    good way of putting it! the jokers just keep on eating with no remorse or hiccups!

    you'd better tone the 'tude when discussing my beloved .357SIG, SIR!! ;)
     
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    Prices on ammoman.com 11/11/19:
    Federal HST .357 HST 125 gr 1000 rounds $620
    Federal HST 9mm +P 124 gr.1000 rounds and Federal HST .40 180 gr. 1000 rounds, $800
     
  15. Teecher45

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    But, ya know federal isn’t making the .357 Sig anymore in the HST, right?
    SG ammo actually has the .40 cheaper than the 9mm, in HST.
    But, all of that could change when the stockpiles are gone.
    If you prefer the Sig round or the .40 I’d suggest getting it now and stocking it deep!


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  16. Teecher45

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    Naw, I’ll aim too. And get more rounds on target faster.
    If you plan on 1 round being enough then ignore everything I’ve said.
    But that’s dangerous thinking...


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    Well, I guess we’ll have to agree here, I fear no attack from concrete blocks. I don’t CC a 5.7 or an AR.

    Honestly, I’m not sure how anyone would gather any useful data from those videos.


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    It's difficult for someone who already knows everything to gather useful data from simple testing. The thing that strikes me as odd is someone who would repeatedly post about how this type of testing isn't useful which would make me think that the message is merely condescending and without any other merit.
     
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    The issue with oddball barrier, steel plates, whatever is it favors the high vel round. Really has little to do witn service calibers.