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The F-14 Tomcat and why the NAVY wishes it could bring it back

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by inthefrey, Jan 13, 2018 at 10:45 AM.

  1. Deltic

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    Maybe not but the trend for the last few decades has been for less guns and less ammo. The gun is a backup weapon and it is not a good idea IMO to bring a very expensive F-22 or F-35 into gun fighting range of a cheap crappy MIG.
     
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    Absolutely no experience or expertise to draw on here but it seems like the F18 would run circles around an F14 in a dog fight. Per Top Gun footage, the F14 has a lot of inertial grunt to overcome when maneuvering.
     

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    Well somebody is flying em.

    He just ain’t sitting in em.



    And we load more ammo in em cuz there ain’t no peelots taking up space.
     
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    AK_Stick AAAMAD

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    Lot of it depends on the pilot.


    There’s a hell of a lot of advantage to having a second set of eyeballs watching he guy you’re maneuvering against.

    And the -14 brought a hell of a lot of fuel to a fight.
     
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    We could fix the second set eyes issue by placing a droid in the back like an x-wing :)
     
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    Maybe your username should be something like "EagleIron"??
     
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    So you spent a whole five minutes with thing.
     
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    What version dog house did Snoopy fly to battle with the Red Baron? That is what we need to bring back.
     
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    One person flying the lead (on board or remotely), the rest are following the leader with a little AI to prevent NS (Natural Stupid).
     
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    We are making the same mistake now with the F18 and F35, that we made in the 1960s with the F4 and F111
     
  12. Deltic

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    Just what mistakes are we making?
     
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    Just because that's current doctrine doesn't mean it will be future doctrine. I didn't say that currently aerial combat is unmanned fighters, I said that I think unmanned fighters are the future of aerial combat. In other words, at some point in the future aerial combat will be conducted primarily, if not exclusively, with drones. I may be wrong, but not because of what current doctrine is, that's irrelevant.
     
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    The JAG Admiral defended Gibbs in the witch hunt.'08.
     
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    Cade anti-poster

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    G19Tony Sneet CLM

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  17. tous

    tous GET A ROPE!

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    I am not disputing that there is some gee-whizz stuff going on, amigo, but it is a well-tested axiom that, No plan survives the first contact with the enemy. :supergrin:

    I intentionally left out the most glaring problem with networked battle assets: If I am the other guy, my first priority is to disrupt your signal and make your remotely-piloted vehicles fall out of the sky or run around in big circles. Or, I would work on technology to replace your signal with mine and make your drones mine, mine, mine!

    Squshyware suffers none of those problems.

    I am an engineer. We don't wring our hands, gnash our teeth, keen and wail about problems, we figure out how to solve them. Will they solve the problems I listed? Of course. That's what we do. Will they solve them by next year? Probably not.

    :wavey:
     
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    Engineers are working on all kinds of vexing issues. :supergrin:


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whDN-4lbork
     
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    I wonder if the Iranians can get any of their F-14s in the air?
     
  20. tous

    tous GET A ROPE!

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    Probably.
    The Russians have helped them, all of the EU is eager to sell them spares and the aircraft likely don't have many hours on them.

    They likely don't have the AIM-54 capability any more.

    But, they don't have Naval aviators.
    If they put them up, they can dig spares out of the smoking hole in the ground.
     
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