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The Dangerous Self-Delusion of Some Conservatives

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by snerd, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. snerd

    snerd Deep State

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  2. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

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    There is some of that, yeah.

    There's also an over-abundance of gnashing teeth and sackcloth sales.

    As with most things, reality isn't at either extreme. What matters most is what we do next.
     

  3. barbedwiresmile

    barbedwiresmile Unreconstructed

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    What do you mean "we"? Without any undue personal offense, we'll be paying this and/or other future "taxes" and you'll be enforcing them. So let's drop the pretense that there is any more "we": there are tax chattel and there are enforcers.
     
  4. Gundude

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    Seems a little over-simplistic. Cops pay taxes too, don't they?

    But while we're on the subject of defining "we", how many people here don't have health insurance, that they'd have to pay this tax if it stands?
     
  5. Ruble Noon

    Ruble Noon "Cracker"

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    No, cops don't pay taxes.

    Health insurance, yeah I have it. How long depends on how much the premiums go up due to this law.
     
  6. Gundude

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    For real, or are you trying to bring this thread back around to the topic of self-delusion?
     
  7. Ruble Noon

    Ruble Noon "Cracker"

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    If you think any tax user pays taxes you are the one that is delusional.
     
  8. barbedwiresmile

    barbedwiresmile Unreconstructed

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    Economic discussions on GT are a waste of time.

    So the decision is just about health insurance? Another singularity?
     
  9. Foxtrotx1

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    Wait, what?
     
  10. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    Take a pill. Any pill, red or yellow should work better. A cop, as an individual does pay taxes. Any other claim requires a little bit of dishonesty. His paying taxes may not lead to a net increase to the treasury on an accountants spreadsheet, depending on whether they considered his net worth to the taxpayer, but HE does pay taxes.

    Have a cup of coffee, be honest.
     
  11. Ruble Noon

    Ruble Noon "Cracker"

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    I am being honest. Now it is your turn.
     
  12. Blast

    Blast 'nuff said

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    Show proof cops don't pay taxes.
     
  13. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Boom goes the dynamite
     
  14. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Oh dear Lord........
     
  15. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    .....
     
  16. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

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    Is there really a need to add to the "us versus them" of the world?

    Especially when I know that you know I don't have a thing to do with any form of federal law, much less the tax code, I can only read this as being deliberately provocative. And if your reaction is to enter into some contortion to show how a road cop in AZ is the same as the IRS, see paragraph one above.
     
  17. Fred Hansen

    Fred Hansen Liberal Bane

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    Like the plan to run the Massachew****s Democrat who instituted Romneycare years before the ACA was ever put on paper, as the "fix"?

    Good plan.

    I suppose the captain of the Titanic was just stopping for ice cubes too.
     
  18. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    No, you're intentionally ignoring the individual action, and in this at least, thinking like a collectivist.

    As a collectivist, the police officers salary would not feed the entire system, because he would obviously be given more than would be taken back, a net loss.

    An an individualist, the salary is paid from either local, state or federal funds. His salary would come from only one of those. There would be a net gain to all others. He personally does have to interact with the same entities that you do to pay taxes. If he does not pay his taxes, just like you, eventually will potentially have a gun pointed at him and almost certainly will have his property seized, and face incarceration. The guy actually works for his salary. Does stuff for other people, and gets paid for it. He, as an individual, entered into an employment arrangment with an employer. Consumption taxes
    that are only possible if he has money to buy stuff are also paid.

    I'd always thought you portrayed yourself as a liberty loving rugged individualist. But on this one issue, you have stubbornly stuck to a hive minded collectivist quasi-logic to continue your intentional mischaracterization of who does and does not pay taxes. Very illustrative. Is that why you will REALLY be hoping that barry gets another term, or is it realy JUST schadenfreude?
     
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  19. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    You are preaching to the wrong congregation brother.
    "We" as in the posters that participate on GT are not responsible for Romney getting the nomination, he is. "We" (GTPI) are all upset. Our guy or gal didn't get the nomination either.
    Blame mittens and the primary system that lets those little blue states go first.
     
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  20. aircarver

    aircarver Descent Terminated Silver Member

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    Yeah .... :frown:

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