[JBarbaresi]

Hi
Correct me if I am wrong but the 357 sig was developed to mimic the ballistics of the 357 magnum. Correct?? If this is correct then the 357 Sig is far superior to the 9mm. I do not currently own a 357 Sig (I will have a G-32 this thursday). But I do have several 9mm, 40 cal and 45acp Glocks. From what I have been reading the 357 Sig is performing very very well on the streets. Virginia State Police and the Texas Dept of Safety report good results. However, a Dept in Northern Mass several yrs ago had a Shooting with their issued sig 229's in 357 Sig. The BG took about 4 direct solid hits with the 357 Sig before he expired. I recently attended a Range master Course where the several of the Students shot their issued weapon and ammo thru the passanger side door of a Ford Taurus. Each student fired four rounds with their Duty ammo, ONLY the 9mm and the 357 Sig penetrated through the passanger side door,through the interior of the vehicle and exited through the drivers side door. The student shooting a 45acp was using 230 grain HST, the 40 cal shooter was shooting 165 grain SXT the 357 Sig shooter was shooting 125 grain GDHP and the 9mm was shooting 124grain GDHP. I was somewhat amazed being a 45acp guy for a long time. I know I know, door results are not human results, But i thought it was worth mentioning. Again I do NOT have a 357 Sig yet, But I will soon and I anticipate this will be my new carry piece.
Out here
1SG

45acp and 40 have become notorious for poor barrier penetration due to their large sectional density(in relation to the smaller faster rounds). the plus for those calibers is that they leave larger permanent cavities in human victims. the difference in penetration through the car doors as you noted may also be attributed to the difference between bonded GD bullets and non-bonded HST and SXT bullets. either way i love my 357 and would rather carry it than 40 or 45, just a personal preference.

plus there's this:

The 357 sig seeks out, and destroys evil. Just point the gun anywhere away from yourself and the magical powers of this fine cartridge will locate evil doers and put them to rest. No other pistol round has this amazing, almost supernatural power.

There are estimates that the overall amount of evil in the world has dropped by over 20% since this cartridge has come into common use.

Often times, the person in possession of a 357 sig pistol has no need to deploy it because evil doers sense its presence and go elsewhere to carry out their dismal deeds.

Some have reported that merely carrying a single round of 357 sig ammunition in their pocket wards off criminal activity. Now, that's a potent pistol round!!!

 

[DakPara]

I have settled on two calibers for true defense, although I own many more:

1. 357 SIG - I like the speed in the faster loadings, and the 125gr in 357 Mag is the gold standard. With the right loading and in a G31, it is duplicated in a gun that holds 16 rounds of 125gr 1450 fps power.

2. 10mm - Just more speed, and energy. Easy to get to 750+ ft-lbs in every thing from 135gr - 180gr. And you can go to 230gr easily if you want to go heavy and slow (but for me, faster with energy is better).

 

[N/Apower]

At least one large agency reported better performance in OIS's upon switching from the Remington 125gr JHP in .357 Magnum to the .40.

Why is the .357 the gold standard? Because it came about during a time when bullets were tested in duxseal and water and didn't expand for beans. The .357 Magnum pushed the poorly designed bullets fast enough to expand. However, now all of that is water under the bridge.

 

[Three-Five-Seven]

At least one large agency reported better performance in OIS's upon switching from the Remington 125gr JHP in .357 Magnum to the .40.

Why is the .357 the gold standard? Because it came about during a time when bullets were tested in duxseal and water and didn't expand for beans. The .357 Magnum pushed the poorly designed bullets fast enough to expand. However, now all of that is water under the bridge.

Exactly!!! The hydrostatic vortex created by the viscous perturbance is equal in dimensions to the dissociative allocation of the electrostatic equalibrium.

 

[G33]

Hate the time distortion created by the .357 and 10mm.
:supergrin:

 

[1SGMP]

Exactly!!! The hydrostatic vortex created by the viscous perturbance is equal in dimensions to the dissociative allocation of the electrostatic equalibrium.

Hi

I was just looking for some advice/information on the 357 Sig as it will be a new caliber to me. I know there are some very knowledeable and expierenced people on this forum. I was hoping to get some insight from these people. Rather than commenting in a negative,sarcastic and condesending way it would be more helpful, If the people in this forum just shared some of their expierence's
Thanks
1SG
Out

 

[Fishin6061]

Along with the impressive terminal attributes of the .357 sig round, I find the bottleneck cartridge appealing as it even further enhances the reliability of the Glock pistol. That said shot placement and proficiency with ones pistol out ways seeking the magic round. The .357 sig does however demonstrate advantages when penetrating hard cover (especially with bonded bullets).

 

[wally05]

Unless you can come up with better tests than what is out there, then you're stuck with their results.

I have a hard time believing that there is little that the .357 sig offers over 9mm. Departments like it because of it's penetration. But, you can also be sure that it will be much more consistent in stops, especially through thick clothes. I love the 9mm, but it's on the fence about consistent penetration in people. A .357 sig has the ability to punch through a small barrier and still give consistent performance in a body. That is what is better about it. This is through actual shootings and research.

 

[Beware Owner]

Unless you can come up with better tests than what is out there, then you're stuck with their results.

I have a hard time believing that there is little that the .357 sig offers over 9mm. Departments like it because of it's penetration. But, you can also be sure that it will be much more consistent in stops, especially through thick clothes. I love the 9mm, but it's on the fence about consistent penetration in people. A .357 sig has the ability to punch through a small barrier and still give consistent performance in a body. That is what is better about it. This is through actual shootings and research.

I'm sorry, but, if you ask me, the simple fact that it will outdo the 9mm in penetrating barriers and stopping a lunatic out to kill me is enough for me to say that it has more than a little bit over the 9mm. The .357 Sig is going to tarnish your assailant's day no matter how you slice it, whether he's heavily clothed or behind some cover.

 

[wally05]

I'm sorry, but, if you ask me, the simple fact that it will outdo the 9mm in penetrating barriers and stopping a lunatic out to kill me is enough for me to say that it has more than a little bit over the 9mm. The .357 Sig is going to tarnish your assailant's day no matter how you slice it, whether he's heavily clothed or behind some cover.

ummm... then we are in agreement? Read my statement again. I agree with you.

 

[Beware Owner]

ummm... then we are in agreement? Read my statement again. I agree with you.

Of course! :supergrin:

 

[wally05]

Of course! :supergrin:

lol, good to know we agree.

 

[G33]

Think I will get a 10mm.



Wait....



Too late!
:supergrin::supergrin:

 

[KinderGlocken]

I don't want to lube pistol cases to resize them so I stick with straight wall pistol cases. Tha's the only thing I have against the .357sig.

 

[LEAD]

Can't remember where, but I was reading some police officer comments on how the .357 Sig needs less bullets to stop violent felons and dogs. It appears that the extra capacity of the 9 is not as much of a perk than it is a necessity. You HAVE to hit more times with the 9, whereas they have noticed that one hit'll sit 'em, for the most part. The Sig will go through a barrier and hit/penetrate like it's nobody's business. That means a lot to me.

Massad Ayoob wrote about this in combat handgunnnery if I recall corectly.

 

[Beware Owner]

Massad Ayoob wrote about this in combat handgunnnery if I recall corectly.

That and some police officer forums. If it NEEDS less bullets to get the job done on VIOLENT FELONS and DOGS EVEN AFTER GOING THROUGH BARRIERS, this tells me that it does an all around better job, period.

 

[G33]

I don't want to lube pistol cases to resize them so I stick with straight wall pistol cases. Tha's the only thing I have against the .357sig.

:tongueout::wavey:

 

[KinderGlocken]

:tongueout::wavey:

And......

 

[LEAD]

That and some police officer forums. If it NEEDS less bullets to get the job done on VIOLENT FELONS and DOGS EVEN AFTER GOING THROUGH BARRIERS, this tells me that it does an all around better job, period.

Seems pretty unanimously accepted that in the real world, the performance of the round has been exceptional.

I have guns in .380, 40, .357sig and .45ACP, and I find myself gravitating towards the .357sig round. Obviously the .380 is not competeing with the other better stoppers, but When I can basically choose a smaller weapon in 40, or the same sized weapon in .45ACP, or switch out the barrel in the exact same weapon and shoot 40, and I still prefer the .357sig that tells you where my preference lies.