The bloodiest single day in American history: 158 years ago today

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  1. flyover

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    The man that was the father to the woman that would have been my great grand mother served in the Illinois infantry as I recall. (She was the first wife of my great grand father and she was killed when drug by an oxen)
     
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    Historian Shelby Foote quoted a Southern prisoner of war who was asked: "Why are the southern soldiers fighting? His reply? "Because you're down here!"

    Time sure does change the course of history.

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    For Federal oppression of the States.
     
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    No.
     
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    I would imagine most Southern soldiers were fighting because their lands were being invaded by an army sent by a Tyrant.
     
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    Scamp57 said:
    What were Union soldiers fighting and dying for?

    It's simple question. No one has even attempted to answer.
     
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    Good to avoid Maryland, generally speaking. But...it's a couple of miles into Maryland from the West Virginia border, so you may consider scooting in to see the park and right back out again. That part of Maryland is a bit different than the DC suburbs or Baltimore area. It is a beautiful and informative park, and the cemetery there is a very solemn, impressive place. After visiting, you can quickly scoot east or west a few miles, and cross the Potomac into Harper's Ferry or Shepherdstown. Once back in West Virginia your rights will be respected and you can rinse of the Maryland Scum.
     
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    I wonder if the couple million soldiers who fought for Lincoln's army could see the sad state of affairs today, would they be rolling over in their graves, or spinning?
     
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    No, unless you were in favor of slavery.
     
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    Guys , just stop . Don't go down that road .
     
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    Been there and hiked the whole area many times. I've told this story here before, but it's on topic (kinda) so ... Went on a BSA weekend camporee at Antietam around 1981 or 82. I was first class or star at that point, not a noob anymore. IIRC this was a fall camporee involving three counties, so at least two dozen troops camped out in a field above Burnside's Bridge. Our sister troop (both sponsored by affiliated churches) had a new kid, just got his Tenderfoot and never been camping before. He got sent on the left-handed smoke shifter hunt to-end-all left-handed smoke shifter hunts. Off into the night, he went troop to troop asking. We were all sitting around the fire and not even thinking about him anymore when this big ruckus started up in the common circle area in the middle of the field around which all the troops had set up camp. About 9-10 boys had decided to run the smoke shifter kid down and give him a wedgie ... a wedgie so bad they actually tore his underwear off him. Might've lost a ball I dunno, they took him to the hospital. That's the last we ever saw of him.
     
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    I find it hard to believe that many people have no idea that the Union also had slavery during the Civil War. But I guess Northern schools don't teach that?
     
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    You didn't ask me that. Don't assume.
     
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    The Union States of Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, and New Jersey had slavery during the Civil War. But Yankees don't mention that, it would make them look like hypocrites. Even the Tyrant Lincoln said these States could keep slavery as long as they stayed loyal to the Union.
     
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    There were a lot of "indentured servants" in the North at that time as well.
     
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    Yo have a very false interpretation of history. In 1860, new Jersey had 18 slaves. The others were border states which Lincoln needed to help keep the Union intact. Big deal. Before the war ended, Lincoln pushed for a constitutional amendment to abolish slavery. It was approved by congress 4 months before Lincoln was killed.
     
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    Interesting question...I went to school in Illinois and was taught something very different from what I learned while living in Texas for 20 years.
     
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    I’ve had the honor to tour Antietam. As with so many battlefields, somber, hallowed and reverend grounds. God bless all who fought on that day.
     
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    The fighting in the "cornfield" was so brutal that it wiped entire regiments out and you could reportedly walk from one side to the other without stepping on the ground afterwards.