The 1st Mass Murder in the US

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by GlocknSpiehl, Oct 14, 2015.

  1. GlocknSpiehl

    GlocknSpiehl NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    3,159
    Likes Received:
    1,557
    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2002
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    TheJ likes this.
  2. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

    Messages:
    64,524
    Likes Received:
    74,274
    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Location:
    1504 7th Street South, Minneapolis, MN 55454
    They tossed in gas until he surrendered, cuffed him, and hauled him away & interviewed him.
    :dunno:


    Sent from my Jack boot using Copatalk
     
    TheJ likes this.

  3. The Fist Of Goodness

    The Fist Of Goodness

    Messages:
    4,812
    Likes Received:
    2,589
    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2005
    Location:
    Falling into Crime's Dinner Party.
    My former neighbor, Charles Cohen, was a survivor of the Unruh attack. He was 12 at thetime, and his father, mother, and grandmother were killed. He moved away about 8 years ago, and passed away shortly after.
     
    TheJ likes this.
  4. Eric

    Eric Big Giant Head CLM

    Messages:
    65,073
    Likes Received:
    24,563
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 1970
    There were many mass murders commited in the US before this one. I was trying to come across a school shooting in 1906, that I read about years ago, when I found this. It is a long read and the guy's writing style is a bit hard to follow, but it is a hell of a story:

    The Bath School Disaster
    image.jpeg

    image.jpeg



    http://daggy.name/tbsd/tbsd-x.htm
     
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2015
    Mrs.Cicero, TheJ and Caver 60 like this.
  5. 308M1A

    308M1A

    Messages:
    5,800
    Likes Received:
    4,605
    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2012
    Around 2009, about a month before Unruh did iirc. From the article.
     
  6. The Fist Of Goodness

    The Fist Of Goodness

    Messages:
    4,812
    Likes Received:
    2,589
    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2005
    Location:
    Falling into Crime's Dinner Party.
    That sounds about right. I remember noting that he did not live to see Unruh die.

    Ironically, in 1972, there was another mass shooting within spitting distance of his home in Cherry Hill.

    Edwin Grace shot 12 people in an office building, killing 6, before shooting himself.
     
  7. Flying-Dutchman

    Flying-Dutchman

    Messages:
    9,458
    Likes Received:
    7,153
    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2007
    Interesting article. The more things change the more they stay the same. The shooter was gay, used a 9mm auto (Luger), had PTSD (from WWII), was a loner, lived with his mom and could not hold a job or finish school.

    Doubtful the shooter would have lived until the ripe old age of 88 had this occurred in Texas. Good old New Jersey; disarm the citizenry, pamper the killers.

    Wonder if President Truman immediately gave a speech about disarming all Americans before the bodies were cold.
     
  8. GlocknSpiehl

    GlocknSpiehl NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    3,159
    Likes Received:
    1,557
    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2002
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Yeah, I thought the headline was very misleading, but I was referring to the pseudo-psychiatric care and lack of court trial afterwords and the way he was questioned over the years. Also, the witness description of how "more than 50 officers...began blasting away at the apartment with machine guns, shotguns, and pistols, even though some in the crowd, were in the line of fire." And nobody complained! Imagine today...
     
    vikingsoftpaw likes this.
  9. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    62,968
    Likes Received:
    59,060
    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2005
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Well, not even close to the first recorded mass murder in U.S. history. Even Wikipedia record the first American school mass shooting as 1764 (10-11 killed). I guess that one gets a pass because it wasn't the "United States" yet and even William Vincent Smith gets a pass because he murdered sailors on a U.S. ship, but outside the country. How about the Villisca axe murders, in 1912? - 8 killed with an axe in Villisca, Iowa; never solved. Even famous incidents like the Mountain Meadows Massacre, in 1857 - I know, that was in a territory, so it doesn't count.

    I got through the first sentence before deciding the story already lacked credibility.
     
    TBO and TheJ like this.
  10. Baba Louie

    Baba Louie

    Messages:
    8,632
    Likes Received:
    6,246
    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2001
    I suppose technically, King Philip's War doesn't count since you wrote US...
     
    Bruce M likes this.
  11. ithaca_deerslayer

    ithaca_deerslayer

    Messages:
    32,729
    Likes Received:
    29,676
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2000
    Location:
    Upstate NY, USA
    According to anti-gunners, mass murder by definition requires a gun. And is by definition YOUR fault.
     
    TBO and TheJ like this.
  12. napp32

    napp32

    Messages:
    5,796
    Likes Received:
    8,661
    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2009
    It was a kinder, gentler time back then. Look how nicely he was dressed at the time of his arrest. :tbo:
     
    TBO likes this.
  13. NMG26

    NMG26

    Messages:
    13,901
    Likes Received:
    9,562
    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2010
    Location:
    Colorado
    All the warning signs were there............we hear that all the time. It is a coin toss when you bump into this type of situation, nobody was ready for it. We have seen it enough to at least try to be ready.
     
  14. TheJ

    TheJ NRA Life Member Lifetime Member

    Messages:
    1,750
    Likes Received:
    140
    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Location:
    GA
    Absolutely!
    The thing is though... most in the media won't talk about Bath MI because it wasn't a mass "shooting". It's like it doesn't count. I think in their mind, unless it fits the modern "gun" violence theme they espouse, it just doesn't count as worthy of discussion. Apparently, murder isn't really that bad unless it is done with a gun.
     
  15. John Rambo

    John Rambo Raven

    Messages:
    12,747
    Likes Received:
    844
    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    Location:
    Tampa, Fl.

    It was clearly a hatchet job to demonize stamp collectors and model train enthusiasts.
     
  16. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    62,968
    Likes Received:
    59,060
    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2005
    Location:
    Kentucky
    I had even forgotten that Bath Twp. was before this.
     
  17. Mrs.Cicero

    Mrs.Cicero Wayward Member

    Messages:
    5,249
    Likes Received:
    1,824
    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2004
    Location:
    far from home
    I lived in Bath for ten years. The last survivor of that bombing died a while I was living there. The bombing wasn't well-publicized because the Charles Lindberg crossed the Atlantic the next week and the media chose to focus on that instead. Walking through the town cemetery always made me sad because of all the children's gravestones, all with the same date, many from the same families...