Taurus G2 Blues ...

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by PattonWasRight, Dec 3, 2019.

  1. checkyoursix

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    I spilled coffee on my keyboard on this one, bravo.
     
  2. ReaPer105

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    Had a Gen 1 that had issues and repeated jams. I sold it. Good luck with yours, it would be great if Taurus had a winner in that gun.
     
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  3. Ofc.JL

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    Field Strip the G2 and dis-assemble the slide. The striker comes out just like a Glock, and the extractor comes out like a Walther PPS. Clean and inspect slide and parts for debris, lube only the extractor upon re-assembly, the striker remains oil free. Hand check for fit and function. The LCI is barely sprung and should work freely w/ no serious spring pressure. Clean and lightly lube.
    After re-assembly, try snap caps by brisk hand action for extractor function. The extractor should hold and flip a case right out. If not, Send it back to Taurus, they will make it right. The G2 series is fairly problem free, it is a great amalgamation of several successful pistols, engineering wise.
    Early G2's did have a recoil spring problem that can cause your short stroke fail to extract issue. Seems the main recoil spring was not flat ground, and under pressure, the final tail of the spring would pop out and cause a bind in function, w/ the end result being a fail to extract, or feed. Taurus will take care of that for you, as well.
    And know this: while we all know Taurus has had QC issues, the G2C(Originally the PT111 G2) has been a very successful, and reliable pistol since it's introduction 4-5 years ago. QC has been great for the G2/G3 series. I had an early one that I really ran hard, and it did just fine. The G2/G3 series of pistols are very well engineered and built pistols that run very reliably, and once we sort out what yours is doing, it will serve you very well.
     
  4. bac1023

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    :supergrin:

    All jokes aside, it does seem like the vast majority of G2’s have been good.
     
  5. SargeMO

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    Well they're overdue to produce handguns w/o major QC and workmanship problems. Maybe the G2-G3 will be it.
     
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  6. PattonWasRight

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    Thank you sir.

    All - I called Taurus this morning. I can't send just the slide in, has to be entire gun. They will do a return tag but that's $50 and hey, that's like a fourth of the gun's cost to me. They will send parts to me free of charge, which I'm considering. The catch with that is they will no longer warranty it for that issue going forward. Not sure I care about that. I'm not having luck finding this part online from non Taurus sources, that have stock of it. All show OOS and no ETA. If I could then still have warranty ala' "don't ask don't tell"

    Sooo ... when I get a chance I'm going to disassemble it and see what I see, ideally there's a smoking gun I can correct. If not, I'll get the parts and swap in the new. If that doesn't do it, and the LCI looks normal which it does, then the problem may then be in the slide and I'll consider sending it to Taurus.

    I have to say, while I appreciate the warranty, I doubt they're losing money at $50. Their corporate ship rates probably account for $15-$20 of that, then some usually minor part fix and ten minutes of labor for someone doing this day in and day out.

    As someone mentioned, I'm laid back about all this. I'd feel different if was another firearm I'm sure.

    Googling, it really does seem like I'm a unicorn with this issue, not a big knowledge base, others with this issue. Hopefully I can rectify for others should that occur.
     
  7. paul45

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    Ha!! Todays winner!

    I'm with checkyoursix and will add I always appreciate well timed, friendly sarcasm.
     
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  8. PattonWasRight

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    K, I pulled out the extractor. No tell-tales

    I compared how much case rim other handguns grab and the G2 doesn't grab much

    Before I move forward down the decision tree I'd really like someone to remove their slide, slide a round up and against the breechface high enough to move the LCI up and see how much rim goes under the extractor.

    Thanks
     
  9. Will Rudy

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    you get what you pay for. it's a 200-dollar gun. on the other hand, I paid that much for a TX22 and have 800 rounds through it with no hiccups. Y M M V
     
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    Sure PattonWS, no prob. Be sure the Extractor Step Pivot Pin engages the extractor correctly when you re-install. I have seen an extractor take off on a pistol when the owner failed to have it do just that. The extractor does not engage the cartridge case by much, but at least the depth of the rim trough is pretty much necessary. And by sending it back, I did mean the whole pistol. If the extractor is not sitting deep enough, it may indeed be a QC issue with the slide or extractor. Not telling you what to do, but if it was me, on a new pistol, I would bite the bullet and send it back. Taurus will make it right. They are trying really hard to be a better firearm manufacturer. By this time next year, most if not all of the US lineup of pistols will be built in Georgia, at their new plant. I wish Taurus the best of luck, myself. With the almost prevailing attitude of Anti-gun in the public(Thank you, Marxists Socialists! NOT!), I consider all firearms manufacturers to be worthy of our support.
     
  11. Longbow

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    Could it be that the former owner was manually loading the chamber and then letting the slide home from the lock position? That can damage the extractor hook.
    ' might wanna take a look at the condition of the extractor hook.
     
  12. 45caldan

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    I would replace the Extractor and spring and see what happens.
    My Star BM had some occasional issues with FTE and stove piping when I got it.
    Ordered a new man extractor and spring and the problem is gone.
     
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  13. PattonWasRight

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    Okey doke ... Got the extractor out as mentioned and everything looked good. Cleaned it up but there was no build up, hard residue etc

    Put it back together for the learning experience, which is a bit of a fussy three-handed affair, but repetitious attempts did the trick. The couple of vids out there don't detail the technique needed.

    Here's something a bit crazy ... I slowly cycled rounds through and the extractor simply lets go well before the case head has a chance to get bumped by the ejector. Smoking gun found in my mind. Some eject by chance position, nothing else.

    I'll contact Taurus and have them send me replacement extractor and spring/retaining pin. Don't care about the warranty kill anymore and not willing to spend $50 / one-third of the price of the gun to ship the gun in. Again, the extractor has no chips, obvious bend, crud etc. Almost seems like it's simply the wrong part, too small / for another gun.
     
  14. cowboy1964

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    I've learned that slowly hand cycling rounds through is very problematic. It's not a realistic operating scenario.

    As nice as the G2C seems to be I am still turned off to anything Taurus.
     
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  15. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    You’re about to experience the absolute worst part of Taurus ownership, dealing with their Customer Service!!
     
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    Okay ... contacted Taurus customer service today and feel pretty satisfied. They're going to send me new extractor, spring, and pivot pin/spring. That will void my warranty however if there's a manufacturing defect, they will still honor that.

    I specifically asked if this doesn't correct the issue then it would appear the cut in the slide for the extractor is cut shallow or other defect in the retaining holes of slide. In that case they will bring the gun in at their expense and correct/replace as needed. I asked them to notate that on my record and they did.

    So I'm cool with all that.

    It is crazy how little of the extractor makes contact with the rim of the case. It's barely, in the fullest sense of the word "barely" touching.

    The technical support guy hadn't ever heard of anything like that so it appears I'm like a penny with Abe Lincoln on both sides
     
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  17. SargeMO

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    That is actually a huge improvement over what I experienced in trying to obtain parts for broken Tauruses, that belonged to guys I worked with at my last PD. This was 5-6 years ago and since I was the Firearms Trainer/Armorer, I caught all the 'Hey Lt. can you get parts for/fix my Dad's old ______" stuff as well as regular duties.
     
  18. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    Good luck. I’ve experienced the runaround from TCS. It’ll ship this week, yeah right.
     
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    Yeah they have some issues..
     
  20. PattonWasRight

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    Their problem now with turnaround is they're moving operations from FL to GA. I'm not expecting anything soon