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I'd like to make some sense out of this matter, but the ATF hit the new
Taurus 28ga pistol at he "Shot Show" declaring that it was a SBS and
was therefore illegal.Taurus removed it from display.

My question is this. Since the Judge could also be declared a SBS as
it uses 410 buck which is a shotgun round, what is the logic in the
ATF's interpretation between the two guns? and why should one be
banned and the other not?

Just curious as to others input on this issue.
 

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Its really simple, the ATF can do whatever they want. They see the .410 as no more powerful than say a .357 magnum so don't have a hard on for banning it.

28g however is a much larger round, and they must feel its too dangerous to have a handgun thats possible to conceal in the cartridge. No logic, but gun laws have no logic other than background checks.
 

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While the judge can fire the .410, it is actually a pistol firing the .45 colt, with the capability of firing the .410. The 28ga was strictly a 28ga shotgun, and according to the atf needs an 18" barrel
 

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Anything over .50cal is considered a destructive device so there's that and since there's no other ctg. that the 28Ga can take it's a shotgun and nothing else. The .410 can also take a 45 Colt ctg. so it's a legal handgun. It's the same deal with the 45Colt/410 Contender barrels.
 

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As far as I can tell, the bore size is the issue. Handguns are limited to .50 caliber or less and the .28ga. is about .55 caliber.

Also, making it an NFA item does not necessarily "ban" it or make it "illegal", but does make it a controlled item. Effectively this would only be banned in states that do not permit the ownership of NFA items, that is, if Taurus even decides to bring it to the commercial market. I don't think they will.
 

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No easy way out for Taurus on this one. If they'd left the bore smooth, it would have to be registered as a short barreled shotgun. If the barrel is rifled, because it is greater than 0.5" in diameter, it has to be registered as a destructive device.
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No easy way out for Taurus on this one. If they'd left the bore smooth, it would have to be registered as a short barreled shotgun. If the barrel is rifled, because it is greater than 0.5" in diameter, it has to be registered as a destructive device.
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They should just make a smooth bore version and offer it as a NFA item. I am sure plenty of guys would buy one, just to look cool! :rofl:
 

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Just get a 3" .410 Judge. Same payload as a standard 28 gauge, legal to own and carry.
 

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Wouldn't be an AOW vs. a SBS because it comes from the factory as a pistol vs. butstock?

Kind of like how Serbu makes very small shotguns out of pistol gripped shotguns out of the factory. But Serbu can't make them out of full stocked shotguns because they become SBS vs. pistol griped shoguns becoming AOW.

I seem to recall reading a source out there that indicated it wasn't the ATF pulling the 28ga off the SHOT floor it was Taurus. Maybe they are waiting to see what the ATF declares it before selling it.
 

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Wouldn't be an AOW vs. a SBS because it comes from the factory as a pistol vs. butstock?
Yes, it would. However, this is moot because:

They should just make a smooth bore version and offer it as a NFA item. I am sure plenty of guys would buy one, just to look cool! :rofl:
The Gun Control Act of 1968 bans the importation of NFA items for civilian sale. So, they'd have to manufacturer it in the US rather than Brazil. I don't believe Taurus has any manufacturing operations in the US, so that would be a heck of an investment just to sell one model that probably wouldn't have a huge market.
 

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No easy way out for Taurus on this one. If they'd left the bore smooth, it would have to be registered as a short barreled shotgun. If the barrel is rifled, because it is greater than 0.5" in diameter, it has to be registered as a destructive device.
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I think that Taurus really screwed the pooch on this one. Lord only knows
how much money they spent on the development of this pistol w/o
any regards for the legal interpretations that may follow.

They should just make a smooth bore version and offer it as a NFA item. I am sure plenty of guys would buy one, just to look cool! :rofl:

Yup the "Cool Factor". Instead of being practical about firearms purchases
many feel the need to brag and show off their latest neat gun. More
power to them though as this (USA) provides them the opportunity to
do so.
 

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The Taurus 28gauge has a rifled barrel therefore it is a DD (Destructive Device), not a SBS (Short Barrel Shotgun).

Handguns with a bore bigger than .50 are classified as DDs.

The BATFE reminded Taurus that it was a DD and subject to the National Firearms Act of 1934. So, Taurus pulled it, because they thought they could sell it as a handgun.

This was a case of Taurus not complying with Federal laws that have been in place for over 76 years.
 

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I wonder where they will be able to sell it because you know there has to be at least a few places in the world where they don't care.
 

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I wonder where they will be able to sell it because you know there has to be at least a few places in the world where they don't care.
Believe it or not, we have about the friendliest guns laws of any country.

And either Taurus was really stupid or really smart. Either they actually thought they would actually be able to sell this (really stupid) or they ran the numbers and figured this is cheaper than an advertising campaign.. you know get the gunnies to bash the ATF and this will be all over the internet!!

Case in point.. how many copies did people actually see at one time? Did anyone get to shoot this at media day?
 

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I have been shooting for many years and I have not even seen a 28 gauge round. Where would you get it? Does it come in defensive flavors? What does it cost?
 

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I've got a 28 gauge shotgun. If you've shot skeet you'll see lots of 28s because it's one of the sanctioned gauges.

Think 20 gauge shell at 90% scale. Good gauge for hunting quail. Finding ammo can be tough.
 

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huh...

Seems Taurus is working with BATFE to bring about a non-NFA version.

So, the 28gauge Raging Judge may be available after all.
 
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