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Discussion in 'Reloading' started by SC_Dave, Nov 29, 2012.
SHould I use a taper crimp of a roll crimp?
Taper... just enought to remove the bell without engraving the bullet.
Roll is for revolver.
Taper is for pistol.
If someone is making a roll crimp die for the 9mm, that would be wrong. As far as I know, they are or all should be taper crimp.
Did you read the instructions that came with your dies or the pistol ammo loading section in your reloading manual(s)?
Where would you even get a 9mm roll crimp die?
I don't think you are going to have a choice, you die is going to be Taper only.
Generally a roll crimp should only be used with bullets that have a cannelure. Most auto pistol bullets do not have a cannelure and a taper crimp should be used.
Some seating dies have a roll crimp built in even for 9mm.
Pretty sure Lee does as well. I had a conversation with them about that a long time ago. But no link to prove it.
If you flare a reasonable amount and just remove the flare you can do the same basic thing with a roll or taper crimp die.
As everyone has posted before, 9mm is a taper crimp.
Depending on the die manufacturer, for instance Lee, if you screw the crimp down far enough it will look like a roll crimp because they cut a step in the die body which is pretty steep. If you get a crimp that looks like a roll crimp with a 9mm die, you have the crimp screwed down too far.
The style of crimp is really not related to the style of action (pistol or revolver) but is based on how the round headspaces. Calibers that headspace on the case mouth require a taper crimp (most autoloading pistols, but not all). Rounds that headspace on a rim or shoulder can be roll crimped or taper crimped based on your needs.
Yes I read it. No need to be rude, I'm learning like you once had to.
Here is where you get one:
How could those rounds work correctly in a semi-auto?
I'm switching to a taper die now that I know more than when I posted this yesterday but they shot just fine in my Glock.
The original 38 Super was a semi-rimmed case that headspaced on the rim, so a roll crimp was the original idea. Guys have gone to a rimless varient to aid in feeding and these require a taper crimp.
You can use a roll crimp die to taper crimp, you just don't screw it as far down.
If the bullet spins in the case is the crimp too loose?
Yikes . The bullet shouldn't even be close to spinning in the case even with NO crimp whatsoever.
I think you are belling the cause mouth out way too much. It should only be enough that the bullet is barely able to "sit" on the mouth before seating.
My 9mil loads with Dillon dies took on a 'Coke bottle' shape. Now, with a Redding Competition Die Set... not so much. Either way, the bullet was tight in the case prior to crimping. It isn't the job of the crimp to hold the bullet.
It sounds like over-belling which should also fatigue your brass faster and shorten its life.
Take a (very close) look and feel at a factory load to see (and feel) what your loads should look and feel like.
Did you resize the case? That is impossible w/ a properly sized case, unless the bullets are undersized. Too much crimp can also spring the case mouth & allow the bullet to move. Even w/ over belling, there should still be adequate neck tension. If you are sizing the case properly & the bullets are the correct size (measure them) then check your expander dia. It should be no larger than 0.354".
If Lee is making their does w/ a roll crimp, then they are doing it wrong, what a surprise. You can sort of taper crimp w. a die like that, but it's sketchy. If you roll crimp, your extractor is liekly holding the round in place for sort of proper headspace, but it's not desireable.
I took some of the bell out. Left just enough to hold the bullet in place for it to go through the crimp die. It seems to be much better though I am still using the roll die I have it backed off to the point it's just closing the case with no real crimp. I can't push, pull or spin the bullet by hand. Hornady 9th says an OAL of 1.1000 I'm at 1.1035 now.
I'm waiting on the taper die now.
Have patients with me guys, I'm learning.