Supreme Court, Oklahoma decision

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  1. DAKA

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    So, BLM take a f*****G hike, the Indians own the land...you can KMA and go back to AFREKIA... BUH BYE...INDIANS OVER BLACKS...They were here before you...
    Seems we F'd the Indians over, and now they are F'ing back.....

    We live in INTERESTING TIMES
     
  2. jcm3

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    I would definitely say it isn't the end, but will require that Congress dissolve that reservation (which I believe it still can do) legally. It doesn't really change anything, other than the prospect of the tribe getting it back.

    What I don't know though, and I've done a little bit of research, is how that happens. If it takes both the house and the senate, then we can consider this a dead issue, mostly because Oklahoma is a red state, until the Republicans take over both houses of congress.

    If the Democrats are unwilling to do this, and willing to have the political collateral damage of 3+ million US citizens who may lose their land, homes and their wealth, then that could and should be devastating to the future of that party. The impact to the area is beyond imaginable to the United States and the citizens that live there: homes, power stations, businesses tax revenues, etc. Then again, the tribal members will say the same thing regarding it being taken away.

    Watching this one...
     
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    I have experience trying to deal with the Indian judicial system. Let me put it this way - it's a ****ing joke.

    Specifically, I represented a chef at one of the Indian gaming locations. The guy was injured on the job and fired, in patent violation of California and Federal (ADA) law. I mean, the law is so clear in this regard that a literate 6th grader could figure out that what the casino did was illegal.

    So I of course try to get the case handled in the California court system, with judges who actually know the law. The casino moves to have the case dismissed or transferred. Judge says, "sorry, have to transfer you to tribal court."

    Okaaay. So I get in my car and drive 4 hours to the tribal court. It's a trailer. I talk to the clerk and tell her that I want to prosecute my employment discrimination case. She looks at me like I've departed from a UFO.

    Clerk: "We don't handle those cases."

    Me: "Yeah, but I was ordered to prosecute the case here."

    Clerk: "We don't handle those cases."

    Me: "How often does the court meet?"

    Clerk: "We don't have a court."

    Me: "What do you mean? How are cases decided?"

    Clerk: "We have a group of elders that hear disputes."

    Me: "Are these elders judges or trained in law?"

    Clerk: "I don't know. They're elders."

    That is my first-hand experience with the Native American "judicial system" - elders who don't know the law meeting once a week in a trailer to hear disputes, usually about piddly ****.
     
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  4. jcm3

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    We recently finished watching Longmire, I could have told you that. :animlol:
     
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    I know a woman that would lose custody of her kids if the dept of human services were allowed on her Indian land and saw inside her house.
     
  6. OV1kenobi

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    I reside within those boundaries. The implications are potentially staggering; especially for those of us that are not members of the tribe.

    Take property ownership as just one example. What lender would be willing to write a mortgage on a piece of real estate, when the rightful ownership can be called into question?

    Oklahoma Constitutional Carry?

    Validity of Oklahoma CCW permits?
     
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  7. OV1kenobi

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    Also, the role and jurisdiction (if any) of local and county law enforcement agencies.

    As was mentioned in the article that the OP linked, the State of Oklahoma and the Five Tribes are working on a joint agreement to present to Congress in an effort to resolve a multitude of issues. Who knows what the exact contents of that agreement are at this point in time.

    This something that needs to be resolved very quickly.
     
  8. GlockPride

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    Us too. Right In the middle of this. What is SCOTUS doing? I was conversing a few minutes ago with a co-worker and I mentioned that this doesn’t open a can of worms, but a whole house.
     
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    Just because neither party pays attention to a contract does not mean they don’t still have one
     
  10. OV1kenobi

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    Truth!

    I was just trying to be droll concerning my location in my Profile.

    Never thought that it would be prophetic.

    Something else to consider: the Muskogee Nation boundaries comprises half or more of Oklahoma’s population, as well as a HUGE chunk of its financial, commercial and educational assets.

    If Creeks manage to ultimately maintain their Reservation status, and play their cards judiciously and fairly, they have the potential to be an extremely wealthy and powerful tribe.
     
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    Where is General Custer when you need him? lol
     
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    The last time I was out there I saw a lot of gas wells in the area. I guess if nothing else happens the Creek Nation will be taking in billions from natural gas
     
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    Ultimately (hopefully) the status quo will be generally maintained, with the only effects impacting the criminal justice system. That is, crimes; especially felonies committed on tribal land by a member of a that tribe, would come before a Federal court.
     
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    It doesn't mean they do either.
     
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    VS this state where the tribal courts sentence offenders to longer jail stints and larger fines than the state does. We constantly hear the complaining from the perps how much more trouble they get in to on the reservations vs essentially nothing for state violations
     
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    This could get interesting, the federal government has screwed a lot of tribes out of land treaty’s in the last 150 years...
     
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    Until today.

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  20. steveksux

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    In MI I don’t believe the tribes honor state CPL. No carry on the res without their permission.

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