You really need to go to an NFA specific site for your info. Try silencertalk.com to get started.So, I have to have a lawyer and a trust to silence my pistol?
Let's start with what state/city you live in and are your 21+?I just recently learned that is legal in OK to silence a handgun. The question is: what does it take to do this and what are the 'good' types/brands of silencers?
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As someone pointed me in this direction when I was looking at OEM threaded barrel for my Glock, there are some available in Palmetto Armory for about the same $$$...You have to pay $200 in tax on each class 3 item. Then you have to do a lot of paperwork through the ATF. Then you better have some patience for a lot of waiting. Gemtech and AAC make pretty good suppressors. Look on their site they run usually from $600-$800, dont forget about the $200. IMHO suppressors are a complete waste of time and money, if you really want a quiet gun because of a video game or something go ahead. You could buy another pistol with that money. Oh and youll need an aftermarket threaded barrel for a g17, expect to pay about $300 for a decent one.
I'm not opposing, it was a general statement, also the last two of your example are conventional rifling barrels, my point was only that Glock's rifling gives you some extra average velocity...If you found a right bullet, this is great, I've seen good results with Fiocchi 158gr...Factory loaded 147gr 9mm stays subsonic for me out of my 5" glock, 8" 9mm AR and 16" 9mm AR. Tweaking not required.
:supergrin: ... You simply will not suppress a super-sonic bullet, you'll always hear the crack of breaking the sound barrier ....38super has a point about tweaking your bullets with reloading....Ive heard, and it makes sense, that a subsonic bullet is much more easily suppressed, and much quieter than a bullet that is going faster than the speed of sound...not sure if that is what he was referring to or not...
I completely understand the increased velocity of polygonal barrels. My point is that even in longer barrels, subsonic ammo stays subsonic. A 4" polygonal barrel I doubt will gain more velocity than a 8" conventional barrel. Just a semi-educated guess though.I'm not opposing, it was a general statement, also the last two of your example are conventional rifling barrels, my point was only that Glock's rifling gives you some extra average velocity...If you found a right bullet, this is great, I've seen good results with Fiocchi 158gr...
I was about to ask you if you have AE in mind when you mentioned 147gr...:wavey:I completely understand the increased velocity of polygonal barrels. My point is that even in longer barrels, subsonic ammo stays subsonic. A 4" polygonal barrel I doubt will gain more velocity than a 8" conventional barrel. Just a semi-educated guess though.
My chronograph shows that factory loaded American Eagle from Federal, is actually about 112 fps slower in a 16" conventional barrel vs. an 8" conventional barrel. Go figure.
I got a CASE of AE 147gr for $250 shipped. I've been playing with it over the chronograph this last week or so.I was about to ask you if you have AE in mind when you mentioned 147gr...:wavey:
Good point about using a suppressor for multiple calibers. Just got to make sure the threads are the same on the barrels. I thought I could use my .45 suppressor on my MSAR STG bullpup, but the threads are small.Suppressed firearms are fun. If you are going to go with a suppressor, you need to decide which suppressor first. Are you going to use it on 9mm only? Do you want the capability of suppressing .45? Pistols only or do you want to suppress pistol caliber carbines as well?
Consider getting a .45 Suppressor like the TiRant or the Osprey .45 You can easily run them on sub calibers and you aren't giving up too much in the way of 9mm performance.
You'll need a threaded barrel for your 9mm as well. Choice is yours. I use lone Wolf barrels on my suppressed glocks and they do just fine, thanks.
If you are tempted to use your suppressor on .22, then consider getting a 9mm suppressor that you can take apart. The SWR Octane is the one I would get if I wanted to suppress 9mm and maybe some .22 since they are easily taken apart for cleaning. The Liberty Mystic is one such can. It's probably the "one can does most" that I would recommend. It's a bit larger than most 9mm cans, but full auto rated, can be run with lead or cast bullets and is take down friendly and easy to clean.
Best reading you can get is at www.silencertalk.com , www.silencerresearch.com , www.silencerforum.com , and the NFA section at www.thehighroad.org and www.thefiringline.com/forum
If you need help with the specific papwerwork routine, we can help with that as well. Decide if you want to go ahead and get the suppressor as an individual, or as a "legal entity" like a Trust, or LLC/Corp.
There are benefits to going the Turst, LLC/Corp route but suffice it to say, it costs more $$ on the outset.
www.guntrustlawyer.com is a good place to get the scoop on using a Trust for NFA items.
@heliguy....Didn't know I could post pictures of suppressed firearms.....Does your KRISS with the YHM Cobra clear the flashlight cut out over the barrel? With a Osprey upside down it does not, but with it right side up it does. The Osprey upside down levels with the bottom of the rail a little better, but it's not horrible with the osprey right side up either.