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Study: Unvaccinated kids are healthier than vaccinate kids

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Glocksanity, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. Rabbi

    Rabbi The Bombdiggity Lifetime Member

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    You are not staying on message. You dont even know what your arguement is, you just know how you feel. Good luck with that.
     
  2. Patchman

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    Let's not forget smoking, drinking alcohol to excess or doing drugs. What are you going to do, pass universal laws to prevent everyone to stop doing these things? Because it's good for society?
     

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    Geko45 Smartass Pilot CLM

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    Or maybe this, parents may opt out of vaccinations for their children, but if their child subsequently dies from a desease that was preventable through vaccination then then they are fair game for negligent homicide charges. Seems fair to me, if they are so certain they are choosing the correct course then they have nothing to worry about.
     
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    Yes, this is how I feel. Believe it or not, universal vaccination is not a one-size-fits-all solution.
     
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    Interesting. Would the same hold true for Jehovah's Witnesses, Chritian Scientists and Seventh Day Adventists? HH
     
  6. Rabbi

    Rabbi The Bombdiggity Lifetime Member

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    You still are off message.

    Again, the key data point you put on the table. At this point, vaccinations are a detail lost in the noise of you "big picture" thoughts on allowing children to die that we can fix.

    Focus.
     
  7. Patchman

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    And if a child crossing the street gets hit by a drunk driver, the parents should be responsible because the parents didn't teach the child how to cross the street correctly?

    Or if the child turns out to be a really bad person and kills some one, then the parents should charged with murder for bad parenting?

    Your child drinks and gets into a DWI accident, killing someone, you should be charged with murder?
     
  8. Geko45

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    To be fair, the Methuselah reference was actually Glocksanity, not Patchman, but I do agree with your central thesis.
     
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    Geko45 Smartass Pilot CLM

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    Red herrings all, in each instance above someone else is much more directly responsible than the parent (i.e. the drunk driver in the first scenario or the child themself in the second and third).
     
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    Eh? They DO have laws governing smoking age, minimum age for drinking, DUI laws, automobile safety standards, etc.

    Are you advocating removing all of that?

    :dunno:
     
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    Rabbi, focus. The thread is about vaccinated vs unvaccinated children.

    My position is, no, children should not be vaccinated against the several diseases. Let nature take it's course.

    My "big picture" position is that universal mandatory vaccination should NOT be forced upon families.
     
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  12. Rabbi

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    No. What you said here is a bigger issue than the vaccine issue.

    In your quest for freedom from something, you would advocate the death of children. Your position is not very well thought out.

     
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    Bad parenting is contributory negligence in all three cases.
     
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    Ok, good. Then you agree that your tangential analogies about smoking, drinking, drug abuse, DUI, and other types of criminal behavior are all moot side topics with no real purpose other than to obfuscate the fact that you have no coherent thought to put forward on this topic other than your vague notion of what "feels" right.
     
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    A child getting hit by a drunk driver while crossing the street is, "bad parenting?" OK, you win. HH
     
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    No, Rabbi, you've mis-reading my posts. My posts are a reply to the thread's topic: vaccination or no vaccination for children.
     
  17. F14Scott

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    I see you've chosen to continue the fight. Bravo, sir.

    Are you now also a legal scholar? Because I've never heard of a single case where the charge was "bad parenting contributory negligence." Can you cite a source?
     
  18. Patchman

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    My point exactly. My post you're referring to was in response to post 103, which said that if a parent refuses to vaccinate a child, and the child dies, then the parent is guilty of negligent homicide.
     
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    Should we also eschew asthma medication, corrected vision, antibiotics, ... for our children (and ourselves) since those also circumvent environmental pressures for natural selection?

    -ArtificialGrape
     
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    I said negligent homicide, and it wouldn't be the result of "bad parenting" in the same manner as your other examples (all of which were at least one level removed), but rather from denying their child an obvious life saving medical procedure (direct inaction).

    But back to my last point, are we staying on the topic of vaccinations or are we taking side trips down every "what if" scenario you can think of? Or option three (your apparent choice) where you can take as many tangents as you like, but you expect all of us to confine ourselves explicitly to vaccinations?
     
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