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Study: Unvaccinated kids are healthier than vaccinate kids

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Glocksanity, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. Rabbi

    Rabbi The Bombdiggity Lifetime Member

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    Yes. Just like the biggest momma bear keeps her cubs from getting eaten...so we have developed pharmaceuticals and surgical technology to keep our kids from dying from a number of things. How is that any different from you using a tool for self defense?

    Until something supernatural happens...EVERYTHING is natural. Smart is just as natural as strong.
     
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  2. Ragnar

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    A minute ago it was god. And then it was Darwin. Now it's nature.

    Make up your mind.
     

  3. Patchman

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    You're saying, let's use man made science to keep the playing field level.

    I'm saying, let's use nature to level the playing field.

    Man made science is here to stay. OK, I get that. But the human body doesn't change that quickly. Diseases that you get will kill you, or, if you survive it, makes you stronger (and you pass that on to your children). Yes, this sounds like a line from an Arnold Schwarzengger movie, but it's true.
     
  4. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    Well, hard to argue with someone with your extensive medical credentials.
     
  5. Patchman

    Patchman Florist

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    If you do, or don't, believe in god, that your thing.

    "Darwin" is a shorthand for saying nature's "survival of the fittest" theory. Whether you want to link nature with god, that's up to you.
     
  6. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    A lot less people, which wouldn't have been a bad thing.
     
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    Patchman Florist

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    I have no medical credentials. I only have life experience.

    So what are your credentials that says vaccinations are best for mankind? And that no other opinions need apply?
     
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    It most certainly is not. HH
     
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    Do you carry a weapon?

    Why?

    You weren't born with it. Maybe you shouldn't defend yourself with it. Maybe if you can't defend yourself with your fists, you don't deserve to live. Maybe you should leave it up to God.

    See how ridiculous that sounds?

    We evolved brains and hands and technology to help us survive in the world. Medicine is just another one of those tools.
     
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    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    Don't argue with him, don't you know he has life experience?!








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  11. Patchman

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    OK. you have a gun, and your opponent has a gun. Who lives and who dies is dependent on what?
     
  12. Mr Spock

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    A monkey will use a stick to get ants out of a tree. Would you argue that this is nature, or would you argue that this "monkey-made technology" is allowing the monkey to get more food than it should naturally have?

    The same thing with a bird crafting a nest. The bird knows how to build a sometimes complex structure for the betterment of its offspring.

    Next, an ant hill with its maze of tunnels and dedicated egg rooms.

    Modern medicine is simply our stick, nest, or ant hill. It is the culmination of our current ability to safeguard our species against danger based on our natural evolution.

    You discuss survival of the fittest as if the only thing that matters is strength. Which is more fit to survive, the strong man who only knows how to hold a club or the asthmatic who can't run but knows how to make a musket and can mix black powder?

    In the real world, wisdom and cunning will always win over strength or physical constitution. This goes back even to times when humanity was in a very clear "state of nature".

    Sun tzu knew this. Atilla knew this. When Napoleon forgot this, he marched into Russia.
     
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    1) It's not Arnold, it's Nietzsche.

    2) Do you eat food made with preservatives? Packaged in plastic? Canned? Refrigerated? Cooked with any of that sciencey fire? Seems to me that if you find some road kill or a mushroom, you should eat it. Then, if you die, that's what god/nature/Darwin intended. Classifying, cooking, and preserving food all smack of artificially avoiding the natural and good process of either dying off because you can't eat poison or passing on your superior, creator-endowed, genetically-capable digestive system to your progeny.
     
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    Since you're giving guns to both people, I'll go ahead and say that we both shoot each other in the gut. One of us goes to a level 2 trauma center and the other to some homeopathic practitioner who spends his days pushing a book against vaccines on his website.

    Who lives and who dies? Why do you pick the one you pick?
     
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    Lol... Next he's going to tell us Steven Segal proclaimed God is dead, and that he killed him with a roundhouse kick.
     
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    That's really not true. Some diseases strengthen one's immune system, to be sure, but others, like Polio, often leave their victims weakened, crippled and permanently disfigured for life.

    The old adage of "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" doesn't always ring true when it comes to childhood diseases.
     
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    Just about everything is in your statement is 100% wrong. Like you, I don't have a medical degree, but unlike you, I will have one in less than 2 years. I really wish people would quit spouting this sort of misinformation. It's useless at best and harmful at worst.
     
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    Do I prefer eating foods with preservatives? No. Do I have a choice? Realistically, no.

    As for forefathers who were hunter/gathers, they recognized what foods were editable. They then passed that knowledge on to their progeny, who were smart enough to understand that. Those who didn't grasp that knowledge (and their progeny) aren't here anymore.
     
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    So you mean a lot people washing their car doesn't create a sunny day?

    I almost NEVER see anyone washing their car when it is raining -:dunno:

    So no one washing their car creates rain?

    :cool:
     
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  20. Mr Spock

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    Are you willing to redefine old age as 45 and middle aged as 20? If we're going back to hunting/gathering tribes, then those numbers are about right.

    Oh, and the difficulty level of your retort is: no mythical people. If you're arguing nature, how 'bout leaving the storybooks out of the discussion?