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Study: Unvaccinated kids are healthier than vaccinate kids

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Glocksanity, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. sputnik767

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    Where exactly did I call you a name. And I am not offended in the least, but I am bothered by the kind of weapons-grade stupidity that flows from your posts. In any case, you clearly missed the entire point of my post. Why don't you go back and read it again.
     
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  2. sputnik767

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    You mean the same pamphlet that you get with probably every drug on the market? You going to stop taking ibuprofen because of the risk of GI bleed? Or tylenol because of the rusk of fulminant hepatitis. Want me to list the official side effects of tylenol that are considered serious? Because they would scare you. Want to guess how many people develop those reactions from it? If you are wondering why people are calling you stupid on this forum (note that I never called you stupid directly), it's because you cling to your belief like your life depends on it, and refuse to be educated even though you are absolutely wrong. Not to mention that you were unable to backup anything you have said. The problem is, you are putting not only your kids at risk, but everybody who is willing to believe you.
     
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  3. sputnik767

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    Umm, this is your game and your assertions that you have to back up. Nobody here is going to provide supporting evidence for assertions that you made up. Why don't you provide scientific evidence as to why it is bad to follow the schedule as outlined by the CDC. You know, the one that was developed over decades of objective, peer-reviewed scientific research, and is likely reviewed on an annual basis to take any new findings into account.

    While you are at it, please give me a brief synopsis of how cell-mediated immunity works, how vaccines stimulate it, how reactive and memory B and T cells form and activate, and maybe touch on why some vaccines are live-attenuated and some are killed, and some are subunits of immunogenic proteins from the pathogen. And then tell me why you can never get the flu from the flu injection, despite what you hear people say (hint: the answer is in the previous sentence). Since you clearly don't have the slightest idea regarding even basic immunology and are stubborn to the point that you refuse to listen to people who know what they are talking about, maybe you can educate yourself.
     
  4. dbcooper

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    I have a son with Autism. I have read everything I can find, I've talked with some of the best specialists in the world, I've searched through every study I can find. I have found nothing that points to vaccines as the cause. It's looking more and more like a genetic problem possibly linked to environmental factors.

    I have twins that were born not long after he was diagnosed and they have been vaccinated, with a few changes to the schedule just to keep them from getting so many at once. The MMR was split up into 3, they never got more than one per office visit. They did get all but 1 by the time they were ready to start school. I saw no point in the hep vaccine since it is a disease you get through bad choices. Why give a newborn a shot for something you get through sex and needles? They had no other risk factors. They'll get that one when they are older and then we'll discuss the HPV vaccine.
     
  5. mace85

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    I think the hep one is great to get young. Before kids know not to touch blood and proper hand hygiene. For instance a kid in your kids class falls and breaks a nose, getting exposed to feces via hand to hand contamination, etc.
     
  6. dbcooper

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    I've got them mixed up, they have one left. Maybe it's the HPV I'm thinking of because they did have everything the school required.. Anyway my main point was with one autistic aleady the rest still got theirs. If I believed there was even a remote chance of a problem I wouldn't have done them.
     
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  7. .264 magnum

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    That's a great post. However, certain types of HEP (A and C maybe) are often passed via contaminated food etc.


    ETA - I just saw your post above. I'm glad you are thinking rationally about your children vis a vis vaccines and all.
     
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  8. sputnik767

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    Hep A is associated with contaminated food, and has no association with hepatocellular carcinoma or chronic hepatitis unlike Hepatitis B and especially C. Even Hep b will resolve on it's own the vast majority of the time, whereas Hep C will progress to the chronic state around 3/4 of the time.
     
  9. LSUAdman

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    You know, it's times like this that I am glad there are experts that are willing to take the time and explain things like this on GT.
     
  10. Hrsuhd

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    Did you read the part where I said I get my kids vaccinated?
    It was shot specific.
    No I asked for information but got "get in line look at the ground do what your told" with the exception of MACE who was cordial and explained a couple things.
    I never said the way its being done is wrong I said its not the way I do it and got told I was wrong.
    How am I putting my kids at risk.
    What is going on right now with the steroid shots is a prime example of why I try to error on the side of caution. Anything canhave a bad production run.

    A few years ago for work we were offered the the hep b vaccine . We were all asked if we had gotten the series before and if we were not sure not to get it it could cause problems. I took the series got my titer and was not immune.
    and was told I needed to retake the entire series I asked about what I had been told before. I was told oh that changed.Nobody could give my the why or how. They could tell by my tiiter numbers that I probably immune so I decided to not take the chance. again erroring on the side of caution.
    My op does not include anything about autism.

    Why is spacing out the vaccines wrong. Not the first time Ive asked this no one will answer.
     
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  11. .264 magnum

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    Awesome post. Thanks for the clarification and detail.
     
  12. sputnik767

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    I am not going to go in circles with you. See my post #263 for my response to that question. Simple answer is because it means your kids are not immune for longer periods of time or they may not develop sufficient immunity if the schedule is not followed. You seem to ignore posts that you don't like. If you don't want to scroll up and read it, I'll summarize it here: the burden of proof is not on us to defend something that you made up. The burden of proof is on you to justify why you think the CDC schedule is wrong (if you don't agree with the schedule or don't follow then you think it's wrong. There can be no other interpretation). If you can't do it (and you haven't thus far), then you are simply refusing to admit that you just don't have a clue. Spouting feel-good BS about toxins isn't going to cut it. And since the schedule is backed up by peer reviewed research, you are not going to be able to argue against it, and the more you try, the more foolish you look.
     
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  13. sports-shooter

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    Hmm...

    People with polio, meningitis or smallpox are healthier?
     
  14. tantrix

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    Any smart person would not only space vaccines out, but pick and choose which ones to get. I've yet to hear a doc tell me this was a bad idea...matter of fact, my kid's pediatrician agrees that it' s great idea because of all the problems that can arise when children are given multiple vaccines in one injection.
     
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    If it is so obvious to "any smart person" then you must have a mountain of scientific, peer reviewed evidence that shows the CDC schedule is dangerous or incorrect. Please, provide even one of these sources.
     
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    I'm not even an expert and I know the CDC schedule looks like it was put together by a kinder-gardener. There are far better ones out there, most popular being Dr. Sears modified/delayed schedule.
     
  17. ArtificialGrape

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    Can you quantify "far better"? Dr. Sears' schedule is merely proposed as a less objectionable option for families that might not otherwise vaccinate. There is no research to demonstrate that it is more effective than the schedule approved by the CDC, American Academy of Pediatrics,and the American Academy of Family Physicians.

    Of course, I'll gladly admit that I was wrong if you can provide the research that quantifies "far better".

    -ArtificialGrape
     
  18. tantrix

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    Well, it's already been seen that the CDC schedule can result in potentially fatal harm to your children, usually with no recourse. The Sears schedule is merely a safer way of going about vaccinating.

    Now...to me, if you have kids, it's a no-brainer which one is better. But, I really don't care what other people do with their kids...I'm not starting a campaign or anything...I'm just not following the CDC schedule.
     
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    I understand that you believe it to be safer, I was only asking for you to support this claim with the relevant research.

    -ArtificialGrape
     
  20. tantrix

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    Well, that's the entire reason Sears did it, because it's safer. Mostly because the kids aren't getting pumped full of vaccines the way CDC schedule has it. I see no reason to follow the CDC schedule when there's a more gradual way to do it...especially when kids are involved.