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studies say death penalty deters crime

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by atmarcella, Jun 10, 2007.

  1. saki1611

    saki1611 BOG's #1611

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    100% i agree! it's a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye...
     

  2. mitchshrader

    mitchshrader Deceased

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    determined that 100% of all criminals reform completely after execution. there is no known case of them committing another antisocial act afterwards.

    This fact seems to escape many people.
     
  3. saki1611

    saki1611 BOG's #1611

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  4. charlie-xray

    charlie-xray Gunpowder Adik

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    No politician would dare bring it back, alam nyo bakit??? One word "Church".
     
  5. horge

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    Mitch, I'm definitely going to use that, the next time I
    can't dodge a capital-punishment debate with my sister-in-law.
     
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    PMMA97 TagaBundok

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    This will definitely work, until you, a relative or a loved one is condemned to die. Then you begin to question. :supergrin:
     
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    Touche'.
    If the legal system and law enforcement were 100% reliable,
    then there should be no opposition to the death penalty for
    heinous crimes. However, very little in life is 100% reliable.

    As cold as it sounds, law is dictated by the same forces that
    shape the insurance industry: it's all a matter of what is an
    acceptable level of loss, and what the projected loss will be
    given the projected number of claims filed.

    In a relatively crime free society (and I mean heinous crime),
    capital punishment can be a mere option. In many cases, in order
    to HAVE a relatively crime-free society, one needs to HAVE
    capital punishment as an important component of crime deterrence:
    Laws, particularly penal stipulations, are only damage control
    and deterrent in the end.

    The prevalence of heinous crime is ultimately determined by the
    identity, nature, and quality of a people.

    This is why the soundness of the family unit, the church,
    and (at mere third) of the government, are crucial.

    :)
    JM2P
     
  9. atmarcella

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    well said mr. H:thumbsup:

    there is no such thing as 100% reliable, even in the states they have executed the wrong people, just 2 days back i was watching cnn and they executed a man for arson w/c killed his 2 kids, they said he did it on purpose, but just lately all of the arson indicators were debunked conclusively.

    but, the gain is more than the loss.
     
  10. antediluvianist

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    Yup, errors will be made. No human system is infallible.

    It's like Statistics : "Type 1 Error" is to REJECT the hypothesis - (the hypothesis is innocence in our and American Law, not in all legal systems of course, so there is the "presumption of innocence")- so we execute the accused, but the hypothesis turns out to be true, and the executed guy was innocent); versus "Type 2 Error" ACCEPT the hypothesis - innocence - but it turns out to be false and the released guy was actually guilty.

    The Roman system of " It is better that a hundred guilty people go free than that one innocent person is found guilty", and the Anglo-Saxon jury system requiring unanimous agreement of all jurors that criminal guilt has been proven beyond reasonable doubt, tend to favor type 2 error : guilty people going free.

    Of course , locally, other factors also strongly affect which type of error predominates, as in rich politicians hiring the best lawyers etc. to get off murder raps (favors Type 2 error) ; and the really bad lawyers that the financially poor accused can afford (tends to favor type I error.) Then of course we don't have a jury system here so the Judge becomes the focal point of pressures, and we all know that money talks, cops and prosecutors are the way they are etc. I once took my neice, who is a judge in Germany, to observe a local murder trial. Well, it wasn't an impressive display of logic.

    Yeah, it's mess, but we have to have some kind of system, even if it's a mess. The Church wins.
     
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    Agreed! Death penalty executed immediately after the crime has been commited(ie. within 48hrs. if there is positive eyewitness of the perp) minimizes if not eradicates these "errors", especially in those death penalty "sentences" carried out by the family of the agrieved party:impatient:
     
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    It does deter crime. No executed murderer has ever killed again.
     
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    charlie-xray Gunpowder Adik

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    And the execution, should be MADE PUBLIC as much as possible.
     
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