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  1. kristiansen

    kristiansen Birdwatcher

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    probably this SP03 did not make it to the gun safety seminar.



    Stray bullet kills student


    By Margaux Ortiz
    Inquirer
    Last updated 01:06am (Mla time) 09/23/2006

    Published on Page A19 of the September 23, 2006 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer

    A MANILA policeman allegedly killed a nursing student when he fired warning shots at cell phone thieves in Sampaloc, Manila.

    The National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) filed homicide through reckless imprudence charges against PO3 Angelo Buzon of No. 171 Lavezares St., Binondo, Manila and assigned at the Manila Police District Sta. Cruz station.

    Investigation conducted by the NBI Special Action Unit headed by Assistant Regional Director Vicente de Guzman III showed that the victim, Marie Grace Raymundo of No. 27 St. Peter St., St. Luis Francisco Subdivision, Barangay Veinte Reales, Valenzuela City, was waiting for a ride on S.H. Loyola Street, Sampaloc, Manila around 6:30 p.m. Aug. 10.

    NBI special investigator Isaac Carpeso Jr. said Raymundo suddenly fell to the ground, as Buzon fired warning shots at three motorcycle-riders.

    Raymundo died of a gunshot wound in the head at the Mary Chiles Hospital
     
  2. royal glockster

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    whaaatt?? how did he fire his warning shots?...aim to the head??
    :shocked:
     

  3. bikethief

    bikethief itchy trigger

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    Why would you need multiple warning shots? And what are the PNP guidelines concerning warning shots? Nasa rules of engagement ba ito?
     
  4. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    my question is, ang warning shot ba e part pa din ng sop? diba kaya nga binabawal ang pagpapaputok ng baril pag new year?
     
  5. jimbullet

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    Im not quite familiar with the rules of engagement of theirs but they should know it by heart. Although I think it has been common for police to really do a warning shots at times.
     
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    :shocked:

    Warning shots are idiotic,
    especially in a high-density urban context.
    If you are going skin your steel,
    you'd better mean to shoot someone.


    Granted there are special cases where a warning shot
    can end an encounter, but such shots should be downwards
    into soft ground only, assuming there's any around.

    EDIT: It seems the policeman did NOT fire warning shots,
    but actually shot at fleeing suspects, reckless of backstop nor of
    bystanders.



    That poor kid had her whole future ahead of her.
    I feel badly for the family she leaves behind.
     
  8. mc_oliver

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    A warning shot is perfecty legal....in the movies.:supergrin: :) :sad: :upeyes:
     
  9. jimbullet

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    Thanks PMMA97 for the post. This should make all of us aware what the PNP should be doing.

    Most of the places in the metropolis is cemented and the PNP may have difficulty in shooting it down to soft ground. Some are even bagito that I at times doubt how they even passed to become a police officer!!!
     
  10. isuzu

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    Did he fire warning shots under a concrete structure such as the LRT tracks?:upeyes:

    Firing a warning shot is not even necessary. Is a cellphone worth a life? I'm not sure if this policeman understands this.
     
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    :shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead: What a tragedy!!!! Hope he gets to spend time in jail with the thugs he placed there.
     
  12. ahtsay

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    if i was a betting man, id say he was firing at the thieves, missed and hit the student instead. Excuse niya lang yung warning shots...maybe. If he was shooting straight up in the air and the bullet struck someone on the way down, it would be miles away na. :sad:
     
  13. charlie-xray

    charlie-xray Gunpowder Adik

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    Ganitong mga isyu ang talaga naman nakakapag-ngitngit sa galit na parang ang pilipinas talaga ay hindi na umasenso at pabulok na pabulok ang nangyayari, PUSTAHAN tayo hindi makukulong yan, white wash kaagad yan IMHO.
     
  14. PMMA97

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    But what is the EXACT police operational procedure on these kinds of encounters where the suspect is fleeing? I have read somewhere that there are 200,000 copies of upgraded/revised PNP operational manuals but our local police station here does not seem to be in the loop.
     
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    "The principal duty of every officer is
    the protection of Life, Liberty and Property."

    Shooting at fleeing robbery suspects doesn't fit anywhere into that.
    Even firing "warning shots" (yeah, right ..that's what they were :upeyes: )
    doesn't.

    The matter of what constitutes reasonable force in apprehending
    suspects is virtually untouched in the document you linked to,
    which seems more a prosecutorial-evidence preservation handbook.

    I haven't got a clue what the REAL 'rules of engagement' are,
    but then, neither do too many idiots in police uniform, because
    as isuzu concisely nails it: a lost cellphone can't be a reason
    to endanger innocent bystanders' lives.
     
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    rules of engagement is as simple as this: shoot only when you are fired upon (though this is a predicament on the part of policemen)
    but the rest would be based on the discretion of the responding policeman/men, all the trainings they have should be applied in any or such situation. shooting or engaging with BG's is not easy, when we are the ones in the scenarios we have to consider a lot of things. one is an adequate backstop behind the BG's to avoid accidents on innocent bystanders/civilians, might be easy to do if we're shooting poppers and boards but the adrenaline of fear for our lives, excitement of being engage with BG's would sometime wobble our decision. though in trainings we were trained to be always in "stability under pressure". yet every man comes out his "naturaleza" in situations that are beyond his control. i can not judge the policeman involved, i don't know exactly what was his situation then, but i strongly believe that he must face the consequences of his act. ;)
     
  18. royal glockster

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    If indeed warning shots cannot be avoided at times by our officers in the streets, i suggest that they should always carry a one mag of blanks ammo,hehe..In this way, injury or death to innocent bystanders can be avoided...:)
     
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    saki1611 BOG's #1611

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    may point ka...:supergrin:
     
  20. jimbullet

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    +1, but I think live ammo is cheaper and therefore blank ammo has not been a priority or a mandatory accesory to these officers as dictated by higher ups...

    I recall I was canvassing for blank ammo and to my surprise they are more expensive pala!!