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Stoeger double defender

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by itstime, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. itstime

    itstime

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    Talk me out of it. Does anybody have one? Likes dislikes? I would probably set it up for a home gun. Already have three Mossbergs.

    I'm being drawn to it but it doesn't seem too functional being a two shooter instead of six or seven.
     
  2. Jesu27

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    No double trigger kinda sucks in my opinion. Thats really the only thing I dont like about it.
     

  3. Bullman

    Bullman Deranged Deputy

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    I would like a double for a house gun, but I would like to have selective ejectors on it so it speeds up the reloading process, since you are limited to two shots. I would still like one, just cause I like shotguns.
     
  4. ScrappyDoo

    ScrappyDoo Tacticool brah!

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    Boomstick of last resort as far as defense and/or tactical situation. Nice showpiece and certainly not something I'm opposed to for show/collection and FUN shooting, would be the boomstik of last resort for me if firing in anger / defending God, country , life , liberty , my chili Hotdogs with mustard , last slice of tomato pie, et. Al.
     
  5. stiletto raggio

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    Looks sweet, but I would probably opt for a standard Coach Gun, or maybe the one with a nice recoil pad.
     
  6. DHart

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    Gladly.

    Pass on the Defender (I don't think they make a two-trigger version of it.)

    But DO buy a double trigger Stoeger Coach Gun! They make a great traveling/motel gun.

    FOR DEFENSE RELIABILITY, AVOID THE SINGLE TRIGGER MODELS... they've been failing and causing unintended doubles. Avoid the problems by buying the tried and true double-trigger models!


    Your best choice would be one of the Stoeger Coach Gun "Supreme" models which have recoil pads on the stocks and two triggers. Or a standard model and have recoil pad installed. These guns are great, but all need some minor modifications:

    1) Slick action so it opens and closes easily
    2) Polish the chambers so spent shells fly out with a rearward jerking motion
    3) Have auto-on safety converted to manual
    4) Have nice recoil pad installed.

    These are easy and inexpensive mods... especially if done by an experienced cowboy action gunsmith. These guns are heavily used in cowboy action shooting. That's where I learned about them and bought mine. It makes a SWEET traveling gun and a nice alternate gun in addition to your pump(s).

    I've got an 18.5" 500 Persuader, 20" 590, and an 1100CM. Despite having these other nice and capable shotguns, I'm still very happy to have the Coach gun because it fills a niche and is always nice to have it around and handy. I keep several boomsticks loaded and handy around the house, just because ya never know when ya might need one! But when I travel, the Coach gun is the only one that goes because it's just small and easy enough to travel along effortlessly.

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    Takes down in 2.2 seconds: push lever in forearm and it comes off, push action lever and barrel drops down and you lift it off. Now you have three easy pieces, longest of which is only 20". Put in small suitcase, bag, backpack, etc. and off you go. NICE.

    I used to take a pistol along when I traveled, now I take this along with the pistol. Nicer to have a 12 ga. double and a pistol vs. just a pistol only! ;-)

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    Coach gun makes a nice launch pad for this with two quick trigger pulls:
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    A BLAST or two of 00 Buck from a coach gun and you're not likely to even need to use the pistol.
     
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  7. kirgi08

    kirgi08 Watcher. Silver Member

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    You did your home/net/work.'08.


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  8. jstang

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    picked one up used 2 weeks ago would only fire out of one chamber. Its back at stoeger now.
     
  9. MTPD

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    I like short, light, doubles for home defense. There is nothing quicker for the first two shots, and speaking from stake-out experience, there is nothing as easy to use indoors that has more stopping power. Assuming, of course, you are shooting 00 or 000 buckshot.
     
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  10. DHart

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    Oh yes, MTPD, I really agree with you that these little Coach Guns (not the Defender, but the double-trigger Coach Gun models!) are a very sweet in-home defense option indeed!
     
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  11. wonderwolf

    wonderwolf Yay college

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    I'm in line with the other guys saying go with the coach gun instead.
     
  12. stiletto raggio

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    For the record: I can see some limited applications of optics on a fighting shotgun, but on a short double barrel, whose primary positive attribute is simplicity, an AimPoint is insane. A light, sure, but you don't need ten inches of rail for that.
     
  13. DHart

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    OK... you're going to like this. I found this tripod bag for like $9. The Coach Gun barrel is 20", the bag is 22". Perfect!!!

    To prevent scratches, I wrap the barrel and stock separately in a soft cotton pillow case before slipping them and the forearm into the bag.
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    My size 11 shoes for size reference
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    Off you go with a most discreet (and economical) little bag! A totally non-tactical, low-profile approach.

    "What's in the bag?"

    "OH! That's my tripod!" ;)
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    While a larger capacity pump shotgun makes for a better defense gun, in those situations where you just wouldn't take a larger pump shotgun, you can easily take along the coach gun. Should you be so unfortunate as to find yourself in a defense situation, a two-shot 12 gauge is a HECK of a lot better than NO shotgun at all.

    If you're on the road, in a motel, tent, or wherever and getting settled in, you can assemble the coach gun in 2 seconds and have a very nice defensive addition to your pistol. Two quick rounds of 00 Buck at your disposal, before transitioning to your pistol, can be a heck of a lot more effective than only having the pistol. ;)
     
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  14. JSandi

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    I love the Stoeger Coach Gun!

    Not to mention the psychological effect of a burglar or other unsavory type staring down both of those barrels would be a life changing event, one way or the other...
     
  15. jstang

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    Mine came back from stoeger yesterday, their repair invoice indicated they test fired it and found nothing wrong. Took it to the range at the shop where i picked it up first 2 rounds fired at the same time with one pull of the trigger. After that we loaded 6 more rounds all of which fired right. The salesman told me to if there were any more problems to bring it back and they would ship it to stoeger again. Got it home and after a few more rounds it began firing on the right chamber only again, guess its going back to stoeger again. I would stay away from the gun.
     
  16. TxGun

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    If I were going for a coach gun, I'd find a hammer version. If not, it sits with with the springs cocked all the time...either that or you have to remove snap caps, then load it when you need it.
     
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  17. DHart

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    I strongly encourage you to immediately cut your losses my friend and let go of the gun with no further ado. Put the problems and the potential concerns far behind you by replacing the gun with a two-trigger Coach Gun Supreme (which you will LOVE!). The two-trigger models are very reliable, time tested, wonderfully made guns.

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    As for external hammers... I much prefer internal, myself, as the gun is much less prone to snagging or hammer breakage. No worries about the springs being cocked... I've had them cocked for years in my Stoegers with no ill effect. Modern springs suffer very little from being stored compressed... they're actually worn much more from use (repeated compression and release) than from remaining in a steady state. And springs are quite replaceable if need be.

    And if you simply must store them without springs cocked, just use snap caps... they're cheap and readily available.
     
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  18. Shortimer

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    Check out Pioneer Arms Corp 12 ga SxS. Rust blued barrels, Greener locking action, heavy duty barrels, forearm & stock cut from the same blk of wood, checkering, exposed hammers, 18.5 in barrels & double triggers
     
  19. DHart

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    Shortimer... where are you buying/checking these out? Any good sources of info that you recommend?
     
  20. DHart

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    $1300 gun. But nice. Here's the link

    http://www.pioneer-pac.com
     
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