Steroid use

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  1. blueiron

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    Phoenix officer fighting steroid-use case

    by Michael Ferraresi - Jan. 13, 2010 12:00 AM

    The Arizona Republic

    A Phoenix police officer who tested positive for steroids is appealing his firing today in a case that challenges how Police Department anti-doping policies handle steroidlike supplements sold over the counter and on the Web.

    Phoenix could be forced to take a closer look at its substance-abuse policy if the case shows that the department runs the risk of unfairly punishing officers for using legally purchased drugs that appear as anabolic steroids in random urine tests.

    The zero-tolerance policy grew as a result of a 2006 scandal in which police officers and firefighters were linked to a local clinic where federal investigators looked into allegations of phony prescriptions for steroids. Phoenix became the first major city in the U.S. to randomly test its officers for anabolic steroids, which are controlled like prescription drugs and narcotics.

    Carl Ramirez, a four-year veteran, in November became the first Phoenix officer fired for steroids after he tested one-tenth of a nanogram over the allowable threshold for nandrolone, a common and popular form of an anabolic steroid used by athletes.

    Experts say nandrolone is a naturally occurring substance in the body. Synthetic nandrolone used to boost physical performance is illegal, but some legal supplements can also convert into nandrolone in the body.

    Ramirez will argue today before the city's Civil Service Board that he was unfairly fired because the positive test was the result of natural chemical reaction to a steroid-supplement version of trenbolone, known as Tren, which experts cautioned can lead to false positive tests for nandrolone.

    "Anything above the cutoff indicates you're using steroids," said Ramirez, who lost his coveted job as a Cactus Park Precinct neighborhood enforcement-team officer. "It's how you get there, that's the issue. It's how the policy is written."

    Phoenix police officials believe Ramirez's case could set a precedent on how Phoenix handles supplement-abuse cases if the Civil Service Board determines his test result isn't enough to uphold his termination, allowing more officers to protest firings over positive steroid tests. Those who designed the steroid policy said officers should be particularly careful about the drugs they're putting into their bodies, no matter what chemical levels are revealed by positive tests.


    Steroid crackdown

    The Arizona Department of Public Safety and most municipal police departments test officers for steroids if they have a complaint or suspicion of drug abuse, citing issues such as the cost of testing or the lack of any serious concern about steroid abuse.

    In Phoenix, each sworn officer is randomly tested for illegal drugs every one to three years at a minimum. Drug-enforcement officers, for example, are tested once per year. Mesa police also are tested randomly for steroids.

    Despite the push to crack down on officers using steroids, the Arizona Peace Officer Standards and Training Board, or AZPOST - the agency with the power to revoke officers' badges - can provide only estimates of how many are officially linked to steroids. Some officials say several. Others estimate dozens.

    Police-union leaders claim the Phoenix policy fails to adequately take into account the impact of supplements labeled "designer steroids" that many police officers can get as effortlessly as a trip to the nearest nutrition store or by dialing a number on the back of a bodybuilding magazine.

    Many of the newer supplements are sold legally, though they are nearly identical to steroids.

    The Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, or PLEA, said Ramirez's case stands out because the nandrolone level in his urine was 5.1 nanograms per milliliter, just one-tenth over the department's allowable range. Other officers accused of using injectable steroids have tested as high as hundreds of nanograms per milliliter.

    Phoenix police produced a video to educate officers on how to get medical help or counseling for steroids, but the department has never listed supplements by name as banned substances.

    "The department hasn't done a good job of educating its employees on what to take and what not to take," said Will Buividas, chief negotiator for PLEA. "These guys are taking stuff they think is legal."


    Birth of abuse

    Steroid abuse has developed as an issue in police departments as officers turn to supplements or drugs as a means to bulk up to better handle criminals on the street.

    Phoenix tests for unnatural testosterone levels or for chemical indicators of illegal steroid use, such as nandrolone.

    Products marketed as legal steroids can show up as nandrolone in urine tests, though police officials said the thresholds established as part of the policy account for any margin of error associated with drug testing.

    Ramirez's case is unique because he also is the first officer to appeal a steroid firing. By appealing, he admitted using a supplement but denied using anything illegal. Other officers simply quit before they can be linked to steroids through any definitive tests.

    Even if Ramirez gets his job back, AZPOST could take his badge.

    But steroid cases are more difficult to uphold than those involving drugs like marijuana or cocaine because of the hundreds of variations of muscle-building substances.

    "When it comes to steroids . . . it's in the hundreds, the number of chemical compounds," said Lyle Mann, executive director for AZPOST.

    "As we speak today, there's someone changing one," he said. "It's a huge business."


    An officer accused

    Ramirez said he started using a supplement called Tokkyo Tren after getting the idea from trainers at a Peoria gym where other officers lift weights.

    Phoenix Public Safety Manager Jack Harris fired Ramirez several months after the officer's bodybuilder ex-wife, a fellow Phoenix officer, told internal-affairs investigators that her son discovered syringes at his house.

    Ramirez denied the claim. He said needles make him squeamish. Ramirez said his separation and custody battle over his two children played a factor in his case.

    At 39, he said, he started taking Tren orally after a couple of violent on-duty scuffles with thugs made him worried for his safety.

    "They spend hours working out," Ramirez said. "They're stronger and hungrier than me.

    "I told Harris, the goal at the end of my shift is for me to go home safe, for my partner to go home safe."

    Ramirez tested positive for nandrolone, though his levels were so low it raised questions as to whether he could be using the injectable illegal drug, as internal-affairs reports suggested.

    Internal investigators who reviewed Ramirez's case wrote in their case summary that the officer failed to provide a reasonable explanation as to how nandrolone turned up in his system.

    Ramirez's case was reviewed by Dr. Don Catlin, a Los Angeles-based pharmacologist and anti-doping authority, at the request of the police-officers union, which represents officers in discipline-review cases.

    Catlin - known as a pioneer in sports-drug testing, whose UCLA lab has led the way on professional-baseball and Olympic doping cases - suggested Ramirez was fired despite a report that "contains factual errors about pharmacology, toxicology and laboratory finding concerning nandrolone."

    He said Tren can distort test results.

    "When this drug is ingested, the body metabolizes (converts) it to two metabolites of nandrolone," Catlin wrote in an analysis sent to PLEA. "Therefore the ingestion of 'Tren' may produce a positive urine test for nandrolone."


    Tren's side effects

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration in July cautioned that Tren and similar supplements cause serious artery blockages, male breast enlargement and other common steroid side effects like body acne or shrinking of the testicles.

    "They're marketing them as having the same effects of steroids or being the legal equivalent of steroids," said Michael Levy, director of the FDA's Division of New Drugs and Labeling Compliance.

    "They say the allure is it helps them to do their job better, when it's doing the opposite because of all the side effects," said Phoenix police Cmdr. Kim Humphrey, who pioneered the steroid policy.

    "If some fly-by-night company says that the drug is in the supplement, why take it?" Humphrey asked.

    Humphrey said he hopes Phoenix can eventually partner with national groups such as the International Association of Chiefs of Police to determine a blanket policy for U.S. departments.


    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/13/20100113steroids0113.html
     
  2. Mayhem like Me

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    He has a case what he is taking is a Pro Hormone Stupid and dangerous but legal for now.
    These forms of Tren break down and turn into the Steroid "Tren" after passing through the Liver they cause liver damage testicular atrophy and other problems...Good luck Offficer "Raisin Sack"
     

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    He never broke the law, illegal sub, and could replicate the test by showing only his supp use. Unless the dept has a list of supp's an officer cannot use I say he has a damm good case
     
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    The sad thing is that for most of the legal prohormones still out there, the side effects are reportedly often worse than from illegal steroids, and the prohormones are not particularly effective, either.
     
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    I had this dream once... I was a space marine fighting aliens. We had these auto injector deals that had steroids, painkillers and amphetamines in them to keep us going.


    It was a pretty cool dream.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Hack

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    Bad in a way. I understand the use of it, but it isn't good to go outside of natural on supplementation for one's own health. More to the point, I think he has a good case.
     
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    I took a cycle of Tren and my sack looks great.













    Just kidding.....about the Tren part.
     
  8. lawman800

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    It just keeps getting better, don't it?
    I would never do it, I love myself way too much to mess with it by injecting foreign chemicals into it... now drinking it in shot glass sized containers... that's a different story.
     
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    A couple of the guys at my Dept. took Tren. Got massively strong really quick. There were several people taking it at the gym I workout at. Other than the expense, there didn't seem to be too much negative talk. Except one guy who ran out of money and had to stop Tren and working out altogether for a couple of months. When he came back he was so weak, compared to what he was when he left on Tren, he fell into deep depression and hasn't been in since.
     
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    It just keeps getting better, don't it?
    Where do you get tren?
     
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    The local "health food" store sells it. You can also get it online.

    You also need anti-estrogen stuff.
     
  12. Mayhem like Me

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    Tren is very bad see my cautions above, and yes you need PST afterwrds like Clomid to start your balls working again,,sometimes they don't start back.

    Wanna get strong eat big,lift big rest big..Good quality protein some NO and aminos and you will have great gains...
     
  13. Hollywood D

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    used to be able to get it at online supplement stores. Most of them have been banned already. Almost all of those prohormones are around for a year until they get banned by the DEA. I don't know enough about the chemistry of the stuff to know why though.
     
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    Have you tried Mass Pump by Powerlab Nutrition? I used to take NO but switched. I notice better gains with the Mass Pump.
     
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    It just keeps getting better, don't it?
    I had some great gains with working out 6 days a week for 2 hours a day and taking that... whatever supplement... Claritin was it? That got my muscles pumped up like I was on steroids!
     
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    I do two-a-days also. Same muscle group twice a day. That will get you jacked