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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by RussP, Jan 19, 2013.
It was in the car, just earlier. HH
How stupid is the person that wrote up that "clarification"?
My unit in Vietnam had M14's and then M16's were issued. I know because I helped inventory the new weapons serial number by serial number. They were issued with 20 round magazines although 30 round magazines became common by the time I went on my second tour.
Truth vs. Falsehood. Opinion vs. Fact.
What powers the vehicles built by the Ford Motor Company, Inc.? HH
What was in your head before it became hollow?
Propaganda by any other name is still..... wait for it......wait for it..... wait..... Propaganda!!
Ain't that the truth, as if the terminology of clip or magazine will make a ounce of difference in this upcoming public debate on a possible new AWB.
The opposition is using every trick to coerce public opinion.
Try to be familiar with your enemies' tactics. Including... wait for it.... the good old divide and conquer.
Here endeth the lesson.
Very well said. HH
I was quoting Ruggles. Your post was idiotic. HH
How is this trying to divide and conquer? It a interchangeable term pure and simple that has no bearing on the upcoming public debate.
The term "assault rifle" vs "modern sporting rifle" could be said to have leverage in the debate. Even maybe "high capacity" vs "standard capacity" in reference to a magazine could.
But 30 round "magazine" vs 30 round "clip" means nothing in the debate.
Here's a hint - the surest way to tell you are no longer a gun newb, is that when somebody calls a magazine a "clip" you won't even be tempted to correct them - the "ha ha you said 'clip'" thing is the surest mark of the newb who has learned a little and is eager to show it off.
So let me understand this??
"We" are up in arms because "clip" and "magazine" are being used interchangeably, but not upset that "assault rifle" is being used incorrectly.
And assault rifle is a select fire weapon which allows automatic firing and an intermediate cartridge. It occupies the position between a submachine gun and a light machine gun (i.e M249) and/or battle rifle (i.e. FN-FAL / G3).
We have alread lost the fight because clip and magazine are both "neutral" and we are letting them bog us down in this definition squabble and allowing them to re-define assault rifle.
Yes, but still the definition of an assault rifle, well, here from another thread...
Or....it's someone that is interested in using correct terminology. Just because incorrect term useage becomes somewhat of a norm, does't make it the correct useage, doesn't stop it from being incorrect. And just because someone corrects others when they use incorrect terminology, doesn't make them a noob.
Anywhoo....that press release is pure politically correct garbage, tailored for the gun-grabbers. It's the continuing effort to demonize standard capacity magazines as something they're not.
That is reason enough to continue to correct people when they use incorrect terms like "high-capacity assault clip". It's stopping the deominatization of inanimate ojects for political gain through the deliberate use of incorrect terminology.
There are people that work on the hill that write speeches and press-releases, that are educated in psychology and sociology. Their entire goal is to use terms and words in manners that evoke strong emotional reactions. They do not care if those terms and words are used correctly, they only care about the emotional reaction they create. And this tactic works. It works damn well.
So, we now have incorrect terms like "high-capacity assault clips". And we sit here arguing whether or not we should bother correcting people when they use those terms.
Of course we should.
Also, when you post about how newbs are the only people who really care about the "clip vs magazine" debate, it upsets the newbs, who feel compelled to explain why they are right.
I find it odd that a press release from a police dept which is at the center of a massacre of K-1 grade aged children in a school setting, in what is one of the "wealthiest" states in the nation, in what is THE MOST VISIBLE shooting in the USA for the past 10 years, in what is probably the most pivotal and divisive shooting as it applies to gun rights (or as the left would like to happen - GUN ERADICATION/GUN CONTROL)
that such a report, known in advance will be microscopically dissected, analyzed, regurgitated and rehashed...
that such a report includes slanted language as it applies to gun terminology. I am not a cop, but I am in a field where I may be called upon to testify for my actions, or for those who report to me, and in my learnings to best prepare for this, we are taught to chose conciseness and accuracy in our prose.
Yes, the report is directly from the PD involved. It is a shame to see that no one in the chain of command that read that report chose to correct inaccuracies in the vernacular.
Do I smell a conspiracy? No. Do I see sloppiness? Yes.