We got 2 into the shop today and I am not impressed to say the least. I have to admit, I have not been following the current threads because the gun didnt interest me that much. Within 5 minutes of getting them out of the box, I realized a few things. Trigger was less gritty then a mil-spec, but still a 6.5-7 lb pull and the big thing was that they fire while out of battery. Has anyone else's done this? If your unsure, UNLOAD THE GUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stick it into a wall or hard object to make the gun go out of battery, just a little, and pull the trigger. Both of the ones we received do this and to tell you the truth, im pretty surprised. Springer's going to have some recall's if thats the case. Im really very surprised with this gun. I was sure it would ship with mags with bumper pads as well. I thought Springer was trying to go after the IDPA/IPSC market with this one and I have to say, im let down. The one plus that i saw pretty quickly was the slide to frame fit was nice and tight! But that was about it!! The extractor sat nowhere near to flush with the slide. Oh well, I guess I'll stick to the TM, TRP, EMP, and Operators. Guys, please check your guns with the above mentioned test!