Splitting up Calif.: State Supreme Court takes initiative off the November ballot

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  1. MinervaDoe

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  2. thewitt

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    Comifornia once again denies the citizens something they want to vote on.
     
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  4. Lt. Donn

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    I understand the concerns regarding the extra seats in Congress etc...but i think the judge should have allowed the voting citizens to decide...if they want to form new states, or even secede and become their own country...I say let them vote on it!
     
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    I wonder? What if this 3-States thing passed and then the rest of the country declined to admit the 3 new States into the Union?
     
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    The left is reaping what they have sowed fostering activist judges. To bad for all the people in the red parts of the prison yard.
     
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    It would not matter if it passed or not. Another attempted ballot initiative that would have been meaningless.
     
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    I know the popular line on this is that the proposed Southern California "could" swing Republican, but that still means we'd trade the 2 liberal senators we have now for 4 liberal senators, 2 conservative. And that's only IF the proposed SoCalif. did actually swing conservative.
     
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    It would have been non-binding in any case, but this just shows that the government of CA is OK with Citizen's Initiatives when they agree with them, but deny them when they don't.
     
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    No doubt it would be good for Liberals nationally. But if an issue this important is appealed to the court they have a sworn duty to look into it thoroughly.
     
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    The state court doesn’t have to rule on it. They bench appeals every day.
     
  12. MinervaDoe

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    Then everything stays the same. Since this proposal would add four senators, it would likely require a Democrat majority congress to approve it (since CA is so lopsided liberal).
     
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    The vote would have been meaningless anyway. All it would do is be essentially a public opinion poll. Which is probably why the court said no.

    Most propositions are changes to the constitution or state law. This one would do neither.
     
  14. michael_b

    michael_b Elementary, my dear Watson.

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    It would still have been entertaining.
     
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    A much better idea is to let them vote to secede from the Union. And wall it off after what few Americans remain there get out. Them let them experience the full brunt of the socialism they so desire. I will add that any socialists wanting to leave the US of A to go there be admitted.
     
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    Do you want SIX LIBERAL SENATORS from California?

    That was the plan.
     
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    It was a non-binding vote. It would have been interesting to see the results.

    Just voting to create three states doesn’t create three states...
     
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    Quijibo King Doofus.

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    I can't imagine the chaos in at least one of the states if they did split it up. We could all sit back and watch as the Californias went to war with themselves.
     
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    Actually, it had to rule. CA has trial court, court of appeal, then Supreme Court. There has to be some kind of speed up process that was applied because sometimes appeals in the court of appeal can hang for as many of seven years before there is a ruling. You may look up the en banc opinion in Planning and Conservation League v. Padilla, S249859 for the reasoning. The initiative approach may have been inappropriate.

    It would have been fun to see all the political infighting if it had remained on the ballot and passed.

    The analysis that there would be 6 Democratic senators instead of the current two is correct.

    Humor. Every public employee, public employee retiree, current Democratic politician, union would have opposed the initiative. Why? Because it would upset the status quo and subjected them to unknowns.Simple example. CALPERS handles a lot of the public employee retirement payouts. Ok. So the state gets divided into three. Who pays? The retirement programs are not fully funded (contrary to widespread misimpressions in the public). Or, you run the prison guards union. Now you have to negotiate with and control 3 state legislatures and have three times the work.
     
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    Bingo. I am retired and would enjoy watching the show!:drowning: