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After reading every post in this thread, all I can say is, "DAYUM".

No need to defund police. Doesn't sound like there will be police to defund. Maybe that's part of the plan.
 

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After reading every post in this thread, all I can say is, "DAYUM".

No need to defund police. Doesn't sound like there will be police to defund. Maybe that's part of the plan.
Might be.

Not my problem anymore. Retired, moved to the country. Citizenship like their LE here, as it's a very conservative area. In any case, I live on a dead end road with two neighbors. Response time is likely in the double digits and we can handle any real problems, being as we're both retired officers. My biggest concern is a medical issue, not anything requiring a police response.

I get that lots of folks still live in cities and suburbs. All I can say is, y'all gotta make your voices louder than the others calling for this BS with the police. If you don't, move away or be stuck with what you allow.
 

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I have what I considered the best unknown/non-1811 job in the Fed.

I've. had a chance to work on a drug task force, with our fugitive operational team, and now as one of two prosecution liaisons in the district. I've had the freedom to work my own cases and take some bad guys off the street.

I've been able to help prevent a parental kidnapping and more than a few flight to avoid prosecution.

I've had the opportunity to travel to Indonesia, Moscow, Lagos, Cairo, Manilla, London,. Riyadh, and Auckland New Zealand to name a few.

After 8 years of Obama telling people we have "no authority" and 4 years of anti-Trump hate the job is ridiculous.

Between doxxing, and the twin marxist movements I'm left wondering what awaits me every time I roll up to the office...or worse what will happen at my house when I'm away. To be perfectly honest: the job has given me anxiety and the occasional panic attack.

I have just under 10 years until mandatory retirement.




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After reading every post in this thread, all I can say is, "DAYUM".

No need to defund police. Doesn't sound like there will be police to defund. Maybe that's part of the plan.
There will be police.

There better question is whether they will have the morals, character, qualities, and caliber you want doing the job.

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There will be police.

There better question is whether they will have the morals, character, qualities, and caliber you want doing the job.

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Yeah, the left will have police,

They need them to deal with thought crimes, “hate speech” ( defined as any speech the left does not like.)

Socialist countries are ALWAYS police states.
 

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It really depends on the location and the administration. I have been a peace officer for 46 years. When my son expressed interest in becoming an officer, I encouraged him to go for a state agency. So far, it has worked out great for him. The city police in our nearest big city are under attack from above and below, within and without. Where I work, it is going well for us but not for some of the other agencies. When people wave at us, they hold up all their fingers, not just the middle one.
 

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Look for a solid red republican county in the South for a Sheriff, other than that US Marshall’s is the only fed I will recommend .


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Dirty Bird,

One of the things I haven't seen posted in the recommendation for federal employment is that many of the positions: A) require a degree and/or B) are only open to Veterans.

Without a DD-214 in hand (or prior federal service) there are many federal LE jobs in which your son won't even be referred for an interview and subsequently will never be considered.

Further, without prior local (city, county, or state) LE certification and experience, he may not be referred for an interview and subsequently will never be considered.

In my case (2014-2016), I had a decent resume, basic peace officer certification, experience, education, deployments, Veteran's Preferences, and DD-214 in my favor... even with all those I was still non-referred on most federal LE positions.

Like several posters above I would seriously consider the options of: A) a career far from LE, B) a start with a COMMISSIONED position in the military, C) a career with a local, southern, and red community sheriff's office, or D) go military reserve with commission and local sheriff's office.
 

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Out of curiosity (and not an argument starter), why are most posters advising the USMS?
The answer is definitely no. I knew a supervisor with them many years ago and advised me not to do it when I thought of changing over. It often means years of prisoner transports before going to the fun stuff.
All of the 1811 positions I have talked to, HSI or what used to be known as “ customs” one of the best . They do everything, drugs, weapons, human trafficing etc. They aren’t stuck up like the FBI. GS salary bumps are not competitive like like the FBI who are backstabbing as a result.
I know of someone who went to high paying local department rather than his slot in the FBI pipeline. He was advised by other Feds to do so and for good reason. Pension and salary benefits were much better than the feds as well as the work conditions there.
 

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Prior city/county/State LE experience can be detrimental when pursuing a Federal LE job. Certain agency cultures prefer a candidate without LE experience to avoid what they perceive as adverse behaviours, tendencies, and traits.

Likewise, having veteran status is good for most agencies, but they tend to stay away from NG and reservists. DoJ tended to feel that current part-time military personnel were a drain on scheduling, assignments, and operational requirements.

This was also reinforced at the local level when I sat on hiring boards. Many other reviewers were concerned when NG or reserve folks sat for their interviews because of the potential time lost if things were to go "south". 9/11 and the resultant wars proved them correct when we lost people for several months to several years.

Going to a Sheriff's agency means dealing with elected officials and agency endorsed "brown-nosing" for assignments, promotions, and other perks. Of course, when "your gal/guy" loses, guess whose career is on the out? I am not a fan of elected LE officials - they tend to be long on charisma and very short when it comes to demonstrable ability and record.
 

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Dirty Bird,

One of the things I haven't seen posted in the recommendation for federal employment is that many of the positions: A) require a degree and/or B) are only open to Veterans.

Without a DD-214 in hand (or prior federal service) there are many federal LE jobs in which your son won't even be referred for an interview and subsequently will never be considered.

Further, without prior local (city, county, or state) LE certification and experience, he may not be referred for an interview and subsequently will never be considered.

In my case (2014-2016), I had a decent resume, basic peace officer certification, experience, education, deployments, Veteran's Preferences, and DD-214 in my favor... even with all those I was still non-referred on most federal LE positions.

Like several posters above I would seriously consider the options of: A) a career far from LE, B) a start with a COMMISSIONED position in the military, C) a career with a local, southern, and red community sheriff's office, or D) go military reserve with commission and local sheriff's office.
They can’t take a “civilian “ over a veteran by law( with some exceptions)...unless the civilian is already in the federal system. The guy at the airport who is the TSA agent checking your luggage might be the head of an entire federal department the next day. It’s the loophole in the law that many take advantage of to get that job. Join a federal job veterans don’t take, enter the federal system then the agency who wants them can sidestep that law.
 

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Lots of people see the USMS as a group close to what they identify with as an ideal agency - dealing with bad guys, making arrests, and no college degree required.

The majority of USMS people I knew had degrees/advanced degrees - because you were unlikely going to get a step increase without it. Prisoner babysitting is well known, but many seem to not recognize that you work for the Federal judiciary and judge babysitting is a real hazard. Doing endless counter-surveillances on threats at a judge's residence or doing protective details on a spouse or children gets old. Piss off an Article III judge and you may well end up on the bottom of any positive lists.

The USMS is a good agency, but they have their share of nonsense to deal with. A large amount of it is the Fed judiciary and you'll almost never win in a battle with a Fed judge.
 

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And I’m not real sure how to advise him. He’s 25 with a college degree, and is the GM of an indoor baseball facility(he played college ball).
My dad was a county sheriff for years, and I condsidered LE, but I wanted to coach, and part of me is proud of him for wanting to serve. The other part of me sees how you guys are under attack socially and politically and wants to warn him against it. What do you guys who are in the field now think?
The son of a friend of mine joined the military first. They got him a pilots license and trained him to fly drones. Did that to have a military background so he could get into Chicago PD.

I think the smarter choice would have been to stay in. (He’s still a drone pilot in the reserves.)

I would tell your son to join the military first, then decide. It will make him a competitive and sought after candidate either way.
 

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I am at the 5 year mark. it is a hell of a ride. I would not recommend it. the highs are high. the lows are low - crushing lows. My girl's boy wants to be a cop. but he is young and wants to be like me. I hope he out grows it. I am going to try to push him toward a trade. it is just not worth it. it really isn't.
 

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I sure the hell wouldn’t do it in a big city nowadays.
I work in a smaller town that is pretty supportive of LE, that is in a fairly conservative county.
Money is less than I could make in a bigger place, but pretty much every other aspect is better, for me at least. I still have about 10 years left to go before retirement.
 

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If he has 4 year degree pursue fed LE. They have a lot of great opportunities that doesn’t require carrying a good
 

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I did almost 30. Different times. My son worked for himself until business slowed down. The photography business is tough to make real money at any more. He began looking at LEO jobs. I hated the thought. So a little late age wise he has become a Corrections Officer. After only a year he has proven to be one of their better hires. Amazing how many last only a few weeks. I'm proud of his efforts but worry a lot. The C19 is a worse worry than if he was out on the streets every day. Unless this lawlessness is handled correctly, and I mean swiftly and deadly, I would not encourage anyone to go into regular police work. It's a shame it has gotten this bad. I felt it coming, with every democrat policy I saw creeping up on us. It's almost too late to save the country. Not quite, but we must have a major change to keep it.
 

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Well, seemingly there has been enough no, don't do it, answers and reasons given to persuade anyone not to get into LE in this current police hating climate, by liberal appeasing politicians.

So, if the advice of seasoned officers is not
Convincing enough to follow, then jump in and swim up stream and against the current.

REMEMBER, YOU WILL HAVE A HARD AND DANGEROUS JOB.
THE LOW LIFE CRIMINALS ARE HARD, AND THE LIBERAL POLITICAL BOSSES AND STAFF ARE
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Chatted with him yesterday, and brought up this conversation. Told him of the overwhelming number of no answers, as well as those who said it needs to be his calling. That struck a note, and I think he has decided against the idea, though the federal idea seemed to pique his curiosity.
 
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