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You know, I made it a point to print that article and circulate it around my department just to be sure that my co-workers were refreshed regarding Ohio's open carry laws. A few of the local deputies also read the article and found it educational.
 

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Inducing panic, disorderly conduct and threat all could be charges BUT the officer would need a complainant other than himself to get the charge through court.
 

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so what ur saying is pritty much any one who's not smart enough to know there legal rights could assume that it was illegal and call the cops and have u taken in? or do they have to claim that u pointed or in some way verbally threatened them with the use of it? the problem with this is there is such a # of factors that would work to jail u even know u are with ur rights
 

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so what ur saying is pritty much any one who's not smart enough to know there legal rights could assume that it was illegal and call the cops and have u taken in? or do they have to claim that u pointed or in some way verbally threatened them with the use of it? the problem with this is there is such a # of factors that would work to jail u even know u are with ur rights
The open carry of a gun is legal, its what ELSE happens that can cause the problem. Without getting in too deep, let me try and give you an example.

1. You are walking down a street open carrying and someone see you and decides to call the law. "Chances" are without additional REASON to complain I would tell the complainant that you were within your rights, end of story.
2. You are walking down a street and go into a day care center, the kids and teachers upon seeing your weapon panic and call the law. By your actions (you should have know better) you have caused panic and would be charged.

It is not cut and dried, remember in explaining freedom of speech the example given is "yes you can speak freely BUT that does not allow you to yell "FIRE" in a crowed public place". Same applies, hope this helps.
 

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It is not cut and dried, remember in explaining freedom of speech the example given is "yes you can speak freely BUT that does not allow you to yell "FIRE" in a crowed public place". Same applies, hope this helps.

And yet one is still allowed a voice with which to yell "fire" should there be a fire. Your ability to speak is not removed, it is only punished if used with criminal intent. That is how open carry must be percieved, carry without criminal intent is not a crime any more than yelling fire in a burning theatre
 

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could they use inciting public panic as a secondary offence to then arrest u?
Inducing panic would be running around screaming Bomb, Or waving the gun around and pointing it at people, If some Sissies get scared cause some guy is CARRYING A GUN IN A HOLSTER,(Criminals do not carry guns in open sight by the way) Then that's their problem. As long as you don't threaten them or point the gun at them then they cannot charge you with Inducing Panic.
 

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You are walking down a street open carrying and someone see you and decides to call the law. "Chances" are without additional REASON to complain I would tell the complainant that you were within your rights, end of story.
The open carry of a gun is legal, its what ELSE happens that can cause the problem.


The police are likely to "determine" that you are a threat to the good order, peace, and dignity of the state when you walk around with a large bore, military grade semiautomatic pistol openly carried IF THEY DON'T COTTON TO TO THAT around those parts.
That seems to be the case in Ohio.
Friend-o, you can't DO something the police don't want you to do in their jurisdiction. Not without a lot of grief.
"Hide that pistol, Wyatt."
Or, you can do things the hard way. :drillsgt:
 

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As long as you don't threaten them or point the gun at them then they cannot charge you with Inducing Panic.

That statement is absolutely false! And it DOES happen.
 

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so i printed out the report and plain to take it into the bexley police office to see what they have to say any one care to offer up there ideas as to what they shall say about it?
 

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One day somebody is going to stumble, move to quickly for an excited LE Officer and somebody is going to get shot and you can bet to cover the Officers and Department it will be reported there was a threating move.
 

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It is true that some leo's do not know all the laws pertaining to a citizen's rights to carry, or to all the CHL laws. However, it may be wise not to paint them all with a wide brush. Look at the Ohio section in this forum. How many questions are posed each and everyday concerning what is/is not legal? Too many to believe everybody knows every law or portion of law. Up until recently, many of Ohio's CHL laws were either very confusing, or outright contradictory to themselves.

Remember too, that by far, the vast majority of leo's on the street stand behind you as a CHL. They stand behind your Constitutional rights and your right to defend yourself and loved ones. These leo's do not deserve some of the remarks made in this and other threads. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Again by far, the vast majority of officers out there are not 'Barney". They are not "excited" or trigger happy. And they certainly are not continueously a part of attempted cover ups to mistakes. Leo's and the organizations they are part of, are under more scrutiny than many of you can even imagine. Practictly every single moment of every single citizen contact they have is done under a microscope of scrutiny. If you want a treatment from them that is fair and balamced, give the same thing to them.
 

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It is true that some leo's do not know all the laws pertaining to a citizen's rights to carry, or to all the CHL laws. However, it may be wise not to paint them all with a wide brush. Look at the Ohio section in this forum. How many questions are posed each and everyday concerning what is/is not legal? Too many to believe everybody knows every law or portion of law. Up until recently, many of Ohio's CHL laws were either very confusing, or outright contradictory to themselves.

Remember too, that by far, the vast majority of leo's on the street stand behind you as a CHL. They stand behind your Constitutional rights and your right to defend yourself and loved ones. These leo's do not deserve some of the remarks made in this and other threads. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Again by far, the vast majority of officers out there are not 'Barney". They are not "excited" or trigger happy. And they certainly are not continueously a part of attempted cover ups to mistakes. Leo's and the organizations they are part of, are under more scrutiny than many of you can even imagine. Practictly every single moment of every single citizen contact they have is done under a microscope of scrutiny. If you want a treatment from them that is fair and balamced, give the same thing to them.
Are you Cinci PD? If so, how do you guys like the M&P?
 

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Dont worry Buckeye Firearms Assoc. has a history of painting LE with a wide brush.

If your about dumb enough to walk around open carrying and not concealed just so you can look cool, then I bet its a good 50% chance you really don't need a permit anyway.

Its a permit to carry not a permit to look like an idiot standing there with your arms up and your walmart bag on the ground with the eggs broke.
 

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Are you a LEO?

Couple things, The right to keep and bare arms is protected under the US and Ohio Constitutions, Ohio's is worded even stronger then our Federal Bill of Rights. "Yes, it says rights, not privileges!"

Ohio court rulings have also clearly stated that open carrying of firearms is legal. Why do you have a person openly carrying a firearm? It's our right. No other reason is needed. What other legal act is treated so harshly? "Permit" or not has no bearing on open carry.

LEOs are voluntary public servants and not paid to decide which of our rights are exceptable to their "in some cases" biased sensibilities. The fact is open carry is legal and unless someone is committing a real crime they should not be harassed, threatened or arrested on trumped up charges. Man with a gun calls are silly.. A gun and? What about a crime?? Most of these calls of man with a gun have been made by cops, under cover or otherwise.

Buckeye Firearms has never painted anyone with a broad brush despite being named a lying fringe group by the FOP.

We appreciate and work with all honest and professional law enforcement, For instance Gahanna Chief Dennis Murphy or Sheriff Dave Phalen. We have two LEOs among our 15 Leaders.

Another thing, and I don't why some don't get this, but there is no such thing as a permit in Ohio. It's a "Concealed Handgun License" Not that Hard..

I notice you only have a 15 post count so thanks for dropping in just to make unfounded allegations. Have a good day.
Dont worry Buckeye Firearms Assoc. has a history of painting LE with a wide brush.

If your about dumb enough to walk around open carrying and not concealed just so you can look cool, then I bet its a good 50% chance you really don't need a permit anyway.

Its a permit to carry not a permit to look like an idiot standing there with your arms up and your walmart bag on the ground with the eggs broke.
 
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