Somali pirate killed by ship's private security team

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  1. Smashy

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    Mar 24, 2010 (7:35a CDT)
    By KATHARINE HOURELD (Associated Press Writer)

    NAIROBI, Kenya - Private security guards shot and killed a Somali pirate during an attack on a merchant ship off the coast of East Africa in what is believed to be the first such killing by armed contractors, the EU Naval Force spokesman said Wednesday.

    The death comes amid fears that increasingly aggressive pirates and the growing use of armed private security contractors onboard vessels could fuel increased violence on the high seas. The handling of the case may have legal implications beyond the individuals involved in Tuesday's shooting.

    "This will be scrutinized very closely," said Arvinder Sambei, a legal consultant for the U.N.'s anti-piracy program. "There's always been concern about these (private security) companies. Who are they responsible to?"

    The guards were onboard the MV Almezaan when a pirate group approached it twice, said EU Naval Force spokesman Cmdr. John Harbour. During the second approach on the Panamanian-flagged cargo ship, which is United Arab Emirates owned, there was an exchange of fire between the guards and the pirates.

    An EU Naval Force frigate was dispatched to the scene and launched a helicopter that located the pirates. Seven pirates were found, including one who had died from small caliber gunshot wounds, indicating he had been shot by the contractors, said Harbour.

    A statement by the Spanish Ministry of Defense said the warship Navarra had intercepted two skiffs and a larger vessel believed to be a pirate mothership. Spanish forces arrested the six remaining pirates, took custody of the pirate's body and sunk the larger boat, it said.

    The two smaller skiffs had many bullet holes in them, the statement said. Spain was trying to reach the Somali government to hand over the body and get the cargo ship's crew to identify the detained suspects as their attackers. Spain was also trying to reach the ship's owner so formal charge of piracy could be laid and the detainees turned over to the Seychelles or Kenya under an agreement the two countries have with the EU.

    Sambei said the case could become legally complicated. Investigators would have to establish who had jurisdiction - the flag the vessel was flying, its owners or the nationality of the contractors - and who was responsible for the security contractors in order to set up an independent inquiry, she said.

    "The bottom line is somebody has been killed and someone has to give an accounting of that," she said.

    Violent confrontations between ships and pirates are on the rise. Crews are becoming increasingly adept at repelling attacks by pirates in the dangerous waters of the Indian Ocean and Gulf of Aden and many ship owners are using private security. But pirates are becoming more aggressive in response, shooting bullets and rocket-propelled grenades at ships to try to intimidate captains into stopping.

    Several organizations, including the International Maritime Bureau, have expressed fears that the use of armed security contractors could encourage pirates to be more violent when taking a ship. Sailors have been hurt or killed before but this generally happens by accident or through poor health. There has only been one known execution of a hostage despite dozens of pirate hijackings.

    International navies have killed about a dozen pirates over the past year, said Harbour. Hundreds more are believed to have died at sea, either by drowning or through dehydration when their water and fuel runs out, said Alan Cole, who heads the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime's anti-piracy initiative.

    Pirate attacks have not declined despite patrols by dozens of warships off the Somali coast. The amount of ocean to patrol is too vast to protect every ship and pirates have responded to the increased naval presence by moving attacks farther out to sea.

    Experts say piracy is just one symptom of the general collapse of law and order in the failed state of Somalia, which has not had a functioning government in 19 years. They say attacks on shipping will continue as long as there is no central government capable of taking on the well-armed and well-paid pirate gangs.


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  2. bfg1971

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    We arm the men carrying a couple hundred thousand to a bank, but for some reason do not arm ships carrying a couple hundred million in oil. Anyone else see the real problem? If the oil tankers decide they need heavy weapons and some countries don't like it, then let them transport the oil on their own unarmed ships and get hijacked a few times.

    This problem can be solved permenantly for about $3000 per ship. The government purchases and installs a 50 cal on each tanker for which it is then reimbursed by the oil companies. Their insurance rates go down because the lightly armed pirates can't compete with that kind of firepower. The insurance companies stop paying ransoms and eventually the pirates go away because they run out of money and the people can regain control of the country.

    Everybody wins except for the pirates that is. Any idea on how much it is costing US taxpayers to keep our ships deployed in that area?
     

  3. Smashy

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    The pirates are responsible for it. Dump the body at sea and move on.






    Sounds to me like things are going well. Beef up the security even more and keep up the good work.
     
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    "including one who had died from small caliber gunshot wounds, indicating he had been shot by the contractors, said Harbour."

    Now right there is your problem. small caliber. Everybody knows you need at least a .45 to repel pirates with, and preferably a .70 cal, and match cord woven into your beard to touch it off with.
     
  5. arclight610

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    "The bottom line is somebody has been killed and someone has to give an accounting of that," she said.

    Yeah, a scumbag pirate got killed. Do people just not have common sense anymore?
     
  6. JFrame

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    Multiply the OP incident a couple of thousand times, and I'm guessing this current problem of piracy will cease to be a major issue.

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  7. Squaw Man Wolfer

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    Did the crew have a conversation kinda like this?

    (dialogue from "Alien".)

    Parker: Uh, before we dock, I think we oughta discuss the bonus situation.
    Brett: Right.
    Parker: Brett and I, we think we oughta - we deserve full shares, right baby?
    Brett: Right. You see, Mr. Parker and I feel that the bonus situation has never been on a-an equitable level.
    Dallas: Well, you get what you're contracted for like everybody else.
    Brett: Yes, but everybody else, uh, gets more than us.
     
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    "no functioining government for 19 years"

    In the bad old days, some strong nation would invade Somalia, kill or convert all the bad guys and establish a functioning government. Everybody would adapt and some kind of successful culture would result.

    Now, the world is so politically correct that its perfectly happy sitting around wringing its collective hands while Somalians destroy each other like a bunch of animals.
     
  9. Peace Warrior

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    Somalia is "research lab." To the researchers, the people there are a bunch of rats being given stimuli, challenges, and being forced to go through mazes for food.

    The "researchers" are the new world order cronies and elite. This type of thing is happening everywhere. By the time they get to full enforcement in the new Amerika, they will be prepared for almost every contingency by way of using both history and these more recent, "natural testing sights" as live preparative/preparatory exercises.
     
  10. Glenn129

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    but he was such a good boy:rofl:
     
  11. timbob

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    I love the actual title used in the article:

    Private guards kill Somali pirate for first time

    HEAVENS, NO!

    :rofl:
     
  12. hatidua

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    If Somalia had major oil reserves, no amount of political correctness would stop "liberating" armies from taking care of the situation.

    No oil = no interest.
     
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    Im sure the pirate was just about changing his life around, going to get his GED, and searching for a job.
     
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    P.J. O'Rourke wrote an excellent book titled All the Trouble in the World which dealt, to a large extent, with this Somali "experiment."

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    The UN is a pathetic joke, they're more worried about holding the "evil" contractors accountable than they are that scumbag Somalis attempted piracy.
     
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    Whoever wrote that article is a complete idiot. There are set ways to handle this situation. When at sea you are under your flagged gov's rule. The flagged gov has a set way to handle all maritime issues.

    Sole power resides with the capt. of the vessel.

    Nothing will come of this.
    This is just some reporters idea of a story.
     
  18. area727

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    If these ships would arm themselves, the problem would eventually work itself out.
     
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    I was thinking of something more like this.........

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY6nm-6eCzM

    :whistling:
     
  20. IndyGunFreak

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    Well, if anything, Blackwater will have a new market after the get kicked out of Iraq/Afghanistan