SOLD OUT!!!! by the NRA

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  1. Jerseycitysteve

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    Wow, I never realized the Constitution had divine authorship.

    Have you ever visited a psychatric hospital? We are not talking about a guy with the blues who takes Prozac for a month.

    You really don't want paranoid schizophrenics to buy guns in the hardware store do you?
     
  2. thetoastmaster

    thetoastmaster NOT a sheepdog!

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    I want gun ownership rolled back to 1933. I want to buy a Thompson from the Sears catalog and have it shipped COD to my front door. I do not believe that it is the government's business what I own or don't own.

    If a man is not fit to own a gun, then he is not fit to be walking the streets. He should be incarcerated if he is a threat to others.

    I do believe that our rights come from the hand of Providence. Where do you think rights come from, the State?

    Remember, what the State giveth, the State can taketh away.
     

  3. Prometheus77

    Prometheus77 GOA - RWVA

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    Well put Sir!

    Back in 1933 you COULD order a thompson (full auto with a drum) direct form sears by mail or just drop by the ACE hardware and pick one up. Other than a few gangsters killing some other gangsters (who couldn't legally own them anyway and of course were criminals who had access to everything) everythign was fine.

    If a man is free to walk the streets he/she should be free to own weapons. Anything less is pure stupidity. Criminals will always have guns and mad men will always find something (gun, knife, sword, car, bomb ect.) to kill other people.

    Gun laws disarm the law abiding and embolden the criminal. Everyone, everytime.
     
  4. Jerseycitysteve

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    I want my life rolled back to 1979 when I weighed 140 rock hard pounds, because I was 24 years old. Today, I am 52. Our nation and technology have changed greatly.

    We, therefore, are never going back to those days. Forget it.

    The founders did not believe in the verbal plenary inspiration of the constitution. They also believed in the tendency of humanity toward sin and the need to be governed (not ruled mind you) so they put in place a government based on separation of powers and limited suffrage.

    We do not have anarchy, yet, in the USA. If you want felons, terrorists, the insane, and heaven knows who, to order weapons from the Sears catalog, you will have to form your own nation.

    I believe that "the people" in the second amendment are law abiding citizens. Sadly, we need NICS to keep weapons out of the hand of those who don't abide the law or, due to severe mental defect, cannot.
     
  5. boilergonzo

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    Very difficult topic. I do not want the mentally ill to have handguns, for their safety and others. I also feel it is dangerous to give power to individuals to decide upon another's sanity. Rosie might believe anyone wanting a gun has mental issues, and use that as justification for denial.

    Perhaps a nationwide network where a practicing psychiatric expert can place a temporary "no guns sales" for an individual into NICS pending a full mental evaluation (if you have been unfortunate enough to have family members have problems, you will understand where I am coming from). Said comment has hard expiration dates (say 30 days) unless the State can present data to a court to illustrate mental instability and risk to self or others to extend the limitation. Using NICS ensures a national database and puts the onus on the State to regulate physicians regarding the truly mentally ill.

    Yes, some people will slip through and still be free and deranged due to reluctance of some physicians to limit borderline individuals. That risk is acceptable considering the alternative (free citizens being unfairly restricted beyond reasonable means).

    I can keep you completely safe from external harm... but you won't like it!
     
  6. aux reduit

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    Uhmmm how does that work again?

    Let's see criminal walks into gun shop:

    Criminal: Gimme that for-tay yo!
    Owner: Sure just let me run the background check
    Criminal: never mind.

    Later that day in an alley down the street:

    Criminal: Gimme that for-tay yo!
    Ciminal2: Sure: $700.00
    Criminal: [pays]

    Yep that NICS sure is working well. :upeyes:

    That said I don't think the NRA really sold anybody out, however this certainly isn't much of a compromise, they should have at least attempted to attach repeal of Lautenberg or something to this bill....bunch of pansies.
     
  7. Jerseycitysteve

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    Nothing like racist dialect humor to make an argument.:shakehead:

    :tongueout: :wavey:
     
  8. aux reduit

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    Nothing like ignoring the point when your argument for more gun control is exposed as completely without merit. :thumbsup:
     
  9. mitchshrader

    mitchshrader Deceased

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    LIE. gun rights, once removed, aren't restored.

    not for felonies, no matter the law, they don't fund any such restorations.

    not for psych evals unless you bring MAJOR heat on the system, and it's flat out impossible without political suasion and big bucks..

    though EVADING that system is as easy as having money, sometimes not even as much money as it costs to buy a gun legally.

    this law produces no result that helps. it is a incestuous orgy of feelgood by three gun control organizations.

    yes, sell em like hammers, show proof of american citizenship and adult status. i think the 2nd applies to americans.

    and i think

    shall not be abridged, means, 'shall not be abridged'.

    am i upset? well, is white lipped trembling upset?

    it's like republicans stealing, i expected better of them. traitors always shock me, i'm not cynical enough.

    despise em? you have no clue. wayne poodleboy ain't got much to go to be benedict arnold. hell, he's ready for a position in the bush administration. mebbe he could work for gonzales.
     
  10. Jerseycitysteve

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    I have deleted my post in the name of Christian charity as today is the Lord's day.

    :tongueout: :wavey:
     
  11. Jeff82

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    Yeah, why are we arguing amongst each other? Get on the horn with that senator or congressman. I believe they still work for us (when they do work):suntan:
     
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    http://www.gunowners.org/a061807.htm

    This is the link I meant to send. Much more thorough article.

    Pay special attention to Schumer's amendment the last time this came up. The idea is NO ONE gets off any list.
     
  14. Pop Gunner

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    as stated by;

    (How about the 83,000 returning Iraqi and afgan veterans who will be prohibited from buy a firearm from a FFL because of their 'PTSD' flag?)

    what is the specific legislation on this PTSD ruling?
     
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    thetoastmaster; I agree 100% with everything you say-- and no offense Jerseysteve but maybe you should go back to Jersey.
    psychologists and psychiatrists think everyone, except other psychologists and psychiatrists have some sort of Mental problem, I don't care who you are. Should we let pseudointellectuals like this regulate our GOD GIVEN, Constitutionally guaranteed Rights? Heeeeeeel NO! If it was up to the Shrinks nobody in the country would own a gun.
    But lets go back to the beginning, the GCA OF 1968 was taken WORD FOR WORD from the Nazi Weapons Act of March 1938 that was signed by Fuhrer ADOLPH HITLER. Why the H are we living under a Nazi weapons law here in AmeriKa??? Screw the commies & Nazis. This is America.
    Our solidiers in WWII didn't die face down in mudholes to give us a Nazi law here in America. Lets go back to Constitutional Law!!! Where is Patrick Henry when you need him?
     
  16. Loucks

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    Cite, please, or GTFO. Wikipedia disagrees, and the burden of proof falls on you.

    That's a great rant, though. Constitutional Law is whatever the SCotUS says it is, your protestations to the contrary. Hopefully, the Parker appeal will be accepted and go our way, but I'm not holding my breath. Also, way to invoke Godwin's Law while simultaneously channelling Walter Sobchak.

    [​IMG]

    Edit: Please don't spell "America" with a "K" unless you're an angsty 17 year old. It makes my eyes bleed.
     
  17. glockman2005

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    Why don't you bug out? are you a pig? Gee that picture Really scares me.... if you listen close you can hear my teeth chattering.
     
  18. Loucks

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    I'm not a "pig." The picture would make more sense if you had read my post. Suffice to say, it wasn't meant to be scary.

    Should I assume that you're not going to bother addressing the content of my post?
     
  19. glockman2005

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    Check out the book printed by JPFO on the origin of the GCA of 68. I have a copy. The GCA of 68 & Hitler's NAZI WEAPONS ACT OF MARCH 1938 are printed side by side in German & with an English translation. Even the italics are the same. I would think this would be common knowledge to everyone; at least it is to all of my gun friends.

    Gun Control'': Gateway to Tyranny
    by Jay Simkin and Aaron Zelman

    Produced by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, this book contains the German language original of the Nazi Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, a page-by-page translation, and then a page-by-page comparison with the U.S. Gun Control Act of 1968. The similarities are striking. The book also contains an actual copy of the correspondence between the U.S. bill's sponsor, Sen. Thomas Dodd, and the Library of Congress which translated the Nazi law for him.
     
  20. Loucks

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    There's quite a difference between "the similarities are striking" and "OMG! Nazis are taking away my guns!!!"

    I accept that there are similarities, and that the German law may have been used as an exemplar. Even so, your argument is ludicrous. As far as I can tell, it goes something like this:

    =>The Germans had a law that restricted firearm ownership.
    =>The USA has a law that restricts firearm ownership.
    =>The US law was influenced by the German law.
    =>The German law was signed by Fuhrer ADOLPH HITLER.
    =>Therefore, The USA is under Nazi rule.
    =>Additionally, commies are somehow involved. Because everyone knows that the Nazis were commies! The commienazis are coming! Hide the women and children...

    And that's where it ends up, in full-blown nonsensical rant mode. The fact is, the origin of the law's language is irrelevant. Even if we adopted a law that was first passed in a country full of baby-eating goat-molesters, the law would stand or fall on its own merits. The Constitution is subject to the interpretation of the court, and if the courts find that the GCA of '68 is constitutional, then the GCA of '68 is constitutional regardless of what your (or my) personal opinion may be.