Soft points or hollow points for rifle self defense?

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  1. GunsNweights87

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    Same here


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  2. Master Guns

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    M855A1 is unabtainium. Let’s keep it to attainable rounds. You can say this and that round are the one to get but if you can’t get it then why list??

    XM556SBCT3 or LE223T3 then now you are talking.
     

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    Picked some up last year and another 210 rounds last week on gun broker 1.80 a round so it’s out there


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  4. Master Guns

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    I can’t find mk318 mod 0 or mod 1 anywhere I wish I would of got it when it was 70 for 100 rounds at bonefrog


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  6. Master Guns

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  7. knoxrocks222

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    In that case I’ll take HEDP
     
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  8. DonGlock26

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    Home Defense: M193 5.56mm
    Outdoors: Speer Golddot .223 soft point to defeat light cover i.e. vehicles.
     
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    Right now in my safe I have a mag of 556 75 grn hpbt in the rifle, another as a spare. Underneath that a mag of 69 grain 223 hollow points. Under that 223 soft point. Set up so I’m running through my 2 556mags first. I normally look for expanding hollow points specifically branded as defensive ammo for everything I keep loaded at home. But if fmj is hard to get dedicated defensive 223/556 ammo has been completely nonexistent around here for the last few months. I bought my AR because I saw a surprise deal during peak Covid I couldn’t pass up. I just wanted to get 4 mags of something suitable to set aside separate from my range stash sooner rather than later. I’ve seen in research that heavy hpbt does a great job defensively but just isn’t commonly used for it, and heavier 223 hp and soft point are suitable. 55 or 62 grain in 223 can *sometimes* be borderline to slightly subpar as far as penetration. 69 and up suffices in a pinch, better the heavier you get.

    I don’t foresee changing that up any time soon, except as specifically branded defensive rifle ammo becomes available I’ll fill them up with that down the line as I rotate through the ammo in my defensive mags. Probably Black Hills or Hornady Hollow Points.

    But I feel no sense of urgency to do it or stack defensive rifle ammo that deep. I’ve seen plenty of research indicating FMJ M193 556 gets the job done fine, maybe has better characteristics than fmj pistol ammo for defensive use. So if it becomes a “perched on the roof, picking off zombies for days at a time” scenario I’ll run through FMJ mags once the 4 I keep for standard home defense scenarios are exhausted.
     
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    I have soft points loaded in an AK mag. The tips are taking a beating. I prefer ballistic tip or hollow point.
     
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    If your rifle don’t feed softies then get rid of it. Every good AR should feed them. A rifle shouldn’t be finicky with ammo. What you described is an excuse for failure.
     
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    I’ll take whatever I can get these days.
     
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    I prefer whichever that is cheap and feeds reliably through my guns.
     
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    Soft points. Hollow points become useless when penetrating thick clothing or body armor. Besides, I've seen what a soft point bullet does to a Mule Deer, if'n I need to shot someone, I want them to drop like the Mule Deer I've shot with soft points.
     
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    55gr Speer Gold Dot soft point
     
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    You obviously don’t understand how rifle hollow points work. They don’t work the same way a pistol HP works. Rifle HP’s have a tiny hole at the tip unlike a pistol round. Rifle HP’s are made to fragment while still having enough mass for penetration. The fragmenting pieces creating wound channels. Rifle HP is a completely different animal.
     
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    'Ol Grandad Director of civil unrest

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    Yeah, right. You are not a Master (of) Guns.
     
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    What about my statement about rifle HP’s is wrong?
     
  20. 'Ol Grandad

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    The reason for rifle hollow points if simply for accuracy. The hollow point is small for this reason. Look at the Remington 168 grain match rounds for instance. They are NOT for killing but for accuracy. Simple really, I mean if you know what you're talking about.