Soft points or hollow points for rifle self defense?

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  1. TheDreadnought

    TheDreadnought

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    Edited the title to clarify this is for rifle defense.

    Which one and why?
     
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  2. oldmick

    oldmick

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    Prefer Speer Gold Dots hollow point as they are commonly used by LEOs. I try not to overthink/ over analyze that kind of thing.

    But that’s just me.

    ETA - please ignore. Didn’t see it was in the rifle forum. My apologies.
     
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  3. Ranger357

    Ranger357 Just pixels

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    Which one works best on biceps?
     
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  4. Syclone0538

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    As long as they are not varmint rounds that will fragment, I don't care. If they hold together they will tumble, so it doesn't matter.
     
  5. Intolerant

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  6. Lt. Donn

    Lt. Donn PSO Survivor. currently in NW Georgia

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    This topic has pretty much been discussed to Death here on GT...I maintain the smart move is to determine which round is being used by LE in your area of operations, and try to carry the same load...among the top-tier companies, there is actually little difference in performance...stick with the top 3-4 and you will be good to go.
    Personally, I believe most EDC folks should be more concerned about "Hitting" their target rather than what brand they carry
     
  7. TeaDub

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    What or which category are ballistic tips? I have some of those that are secondary to my M193 FMJs. I suppose that makes both ammo types that I keep not on the poll? :dunno:

    I really prefer reliability over anything in a semi-automatic firearm. I spent more time with rifles for a certain Uncle, I do less so now. An indoor, public 25 yard range gets old fairly quickly with a long gun. I vet their feeding and the occasional practice after. Even before the 'Rona, "premium" rifle ammo was just that cost wise. I decided to keep the very rare chance I'd need a rifle to the basics.

    In a rifle length barrel in 556, I'm comfortable with the tried and true M193 in an AR.
     
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    9mm:

    #1: Hornady Critical Duty 135gr +P
    #2: Hornady Critical Duty 125gr +P
    #3: Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P
    #4: Federal HST 124gr +P
     
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  9. cheygriz

    cheygriz God Bless Trump

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    9MM

    Federal 9BLE 115 JHP +P+

    Proven on the street.
     
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    nikerret Mr. Awesome

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    Speer never made a Gold Dot HP, in rifle ammunition. Their rifle is bonded soft point and performs well, from what I’ve seen.
     
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  11. nikerret

    nikerret Mr. Awesome

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    This is the “Black Rifle” subforum. I’m guessing he meant .223/5.56, .308/7.62, etc.
     
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  12. nikerret

    nikerret Mr. Awesome

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    I don’t think people know this is in the rifle forum. My guess is your responses are not accurate.

    I prefer soft point, in rifles, such as the Gold Dots or Federal Fusion/T3 or Ranger Bonded SP.
     
  13. Borg Warner

    Borg Warner Free Full Clip!

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    What you want is controlled expansion for defensive purposes. Soft points are OK for hunting where you have enough velocity to make them expand. But expansion has always been a very "Iffy" proposition at pistol ammo velocities until the advent of the Speer Gold dot, the Federal HST, the Winchester Ranger,and the Hornady Flex-lock controlled expansion projectiles.

    The Hornady XTP has always worked well and a wide range ocf velocities but tend to expand less and penetrate more except at higher velocities. Remington Golden sabers should also be counted among modern controlled expansion designs.

    But soft points are really not much better than FMJ's when it comes to pistol ammo and some of the earlier cup-and-core JHP's did not work all that well either except for various 357 mag 125 grain JHP's and teh Federal Plus+P+Plus BPLE load where high velocity allowed the simple cup-and-core hollow point to work better.
     
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    Whoops, didn`t see that. I`ll go pull my post. Thanks Nik
     
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    'Ol Grandad Director of civil unrest

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    FMJ or green tip if/when I can get my hands on some de-milled bullets.
     
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    Both?

    Soft point for revolvers. HP for semis.
     
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    nikerret Mr. Awesome

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  18. nikerret

    nikerret Mr. Awesome

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    Perhaps, you can edit the thread title.
     
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  19. Deltic

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    This is what a typical wound looks like from cheap FMJ(not steel jacket). Why over think this?
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    great post. If you can’t find the info from local LE, carry what the FBI does which is Critical Duty 135 9mm +p. If you want a different path and follow international law of non expanding and non lead based, go with Black Hills Honeybadger. If those dont suit you. Buy what you can find locally from the trusted and proven brands like winchester, federal, remington, speer, etc and practice, practice, and practice some more.