So............ Let's Recap

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  1. snerd

    snerd Horselover Fat

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    A lot has happened over the past year. Way too much to get my head around. This piece was posted on Drudge by a follower. It has been posted to a few other websites, and gives a pretty good timeline of the events. I went ahead and left his commentary in, as it would leave too many gaps to edit it out. Give it a read and tell me what you think.


    Someone else posted this, but really what is Schumer worried about. Yes the facts are there:

    1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

    2. July 2016: The Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

    3. October 2016: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

    4. October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

    5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.

    6. January 2017: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

    7. January 2017: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the existence of “a multi-agency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.

    8. February 2017: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.

    9. February 2017: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.

    10. March 2017: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions’s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.

    In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.

    All in a bid to stop or overthrow a Trump administration.


    The Fog of Mass Hysteria

    The FBI, DOJ, NSA or any other government agency would not wiretap the offices of a presidential nominee without the explicit instructions or approval of the President of the United States. It is way too daring and the criminal implications far too reaching.

    The fact Barack Obama secretly obtained a warrant under false pretenses to wiretap Trump Tower over his delusional paranoia of Russian collusion - which is code word for fear of losing an election and control over your crumbling legacy because your party nominated the most corrupt and deceitful candidate in American history - is outrageous and nothing short of sedition. Let us not forget the former President himself wiretapped the press during his first term to monitor journalists for non-compliance and he ordered the IRS to target political opponents out of sheer spite. If anyone mirrors the despotic behavior of the old Soviet Socialist Republic and its KGB henchmen, it is the very man who was raised and proudly mentored by anti-American Marxists: Barack Hussein Obama.

    I have never witnessed an exiting President conduct himself with such malice and juvenile contempt for our electoral process, the American people, let alone one who has plotted to poison the very authority and legitimacy of an incoming administration. Unless partisan witch hunts, media vendettas and obnoxious publicity stunts are now noble, patriotic pursuits - waged by those hypocritical mouthpieces guilty of real impropriety and treasonous collusion - then the next warrant issued should be for the greatest embodiment of extremism and lawlessness in America today: the Democratic party. Perhaps then Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer can hold press conferences to explain how their indictments are null and void because no one pointed a finger at them on national television to convict them beneath a fog of mass hysteria.
     
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    Is that the cliff notes?
     
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    What would be funny is if Trump held a public meeting to discuss whether or not he should give a premature Presidential Pardon to Obama.
     
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    This is fake news. And none of it implicates Obama directly, as Trump claims.

    Still waiting for real evidence, not anonymously sourced crap from questionable "news" outlets.
     
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    You mean, exactly like the lefts claims about Trump? Ha ha!! Trump is playing chess now, and the fools didn't notice.


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    Because presidents never get information from sources other than the news. All he has to do is ask. The spy's sorta work for him now.
     
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    Your reaction, as well as the reactions of the MSM this weekend are likely part of what Trump intended to happen. One thing I feel is certain.......DJT is not stupid, and stupidity is the obvious conclusion any keen analysis of current events would lead us to believe.....if the only information is what we have at this time.

    DJT is either holding some cards he hasn't shown......or, he's unbelievably stupid.

    My bet is he's not unbelievably stupid.

    MAGA :bringiton:
     
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    The media can't have it both ways. Either there was unethical and possibly illegal surveillance, or there is absolutely nothing to the Russia mantra of the left. Are they lying then, or are they lyin now? Or both.
     
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    Oh! And some are saying that's why Rogers got canned, he tipped off Trump to the wiretaps.

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    If they worked against him then. They are definitely not working for him now. They are to busy hiding evidence of their participation. Their loyalty is with themselves not this country.
     
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    Except the "dim one", he repeatedly stated he didn't know about several major events until He saw it on the "news". :upeyes:
     
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    Read the entire first post if you can, but if tl;dr, at least start here: