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Discussion in 'Military Surplus Forum' started by warden 10, Oct 15, 2009.
Any thoughts as to which one of these two warhorses is more accurate?
In part I suspect barrel condition will play a huge factor in this. Most Enfields I have seen/shot have had better barrels, and better sights. However, I've also shot a surprisingly accurate M44 Mosin, that, with the bayo extended, would whack grapejuice jugs at 120yds all day long.
The weakness of the SMLE is it's rear locking action.
I think given equal barrel condition and ammunition preperation the MN will be more accurate.
I have a Finnish nagant that is very accurate. If that helps any?
I would have to go with the smle especially if I can choos the no4mk1. Its rear peep sight being mounted on the back of the receiver give you a better long range sight and a longer sighting radius. Jmho
I have an original Westinghouse Mosin that is not going to be shot. Rust in the barrel just a wall hanger now. But I did shoot a No.4 MkII SMLE, ten days ago, on a nice bench rest, battle sight fired 10 rounds in a 7.5 inch group at 100 yards.
In battle sight I know I hit 3.5" high at 100 yards and have tagged a few deer with this 1950 rifle over the years. This is perfect accuracy as long as you know your limitations. 100 yards is a long way to shoot in the woods.
I also shoot 1903's, much better accuracy wth the 1903A3 over the 1903 due to the aperture sight; just like the No.4 MkI or MkII over the No.3 MkIII for my ease of sighting.
I think the quality of the bore will have more influence than the action.
I believe the best example of a MN would likely be more accurate than the typical SMLE...but I don't discount the rear locking action, as older Schmidt Rubins were very accurate, Rem 788's and my own Enfield 2a1 can exhibit great accuracy with loads it likes.
Comparing 'typical' SMLE to typical MN, I'd error toward the Enfield.
This has nothing to do with accuracy but I thought I'd post it here anyway.
In support of the Enfields!!!!!!
British Faz No.4 MkII 1950
India Ishy No.1 MkIII2a1 (7.62 NATO) 1967
Aussy Lithgow No.1 MkIII 1942
US Remington 1917 (30-06) 1918 Often called an Enfield because these were made with some of the left over Pattern 14 (303 Brit) rifles.
Some interesting Nagant pics:
Rank #3 has S/N 1992
Looking for any help on this story.
Remington Arms & New England Westinghouse were contracted by the Russian Gov't to produce Nagant rifles in 1915-1916. When it was time to pay for the guns their treasury refused to pay. Many of the rifle were sent to Finland and other areas with ammo.
While the US was massing troops to enter WWI several volunteers were sent to Governors Island, NY to attend an early version of NCO School to lead the troops into battle. Army Capt. A.L. Boyce was the lead Instructor for this camp detail. There was also something else at Central Park drilling but details are sketchy. Arms were in short supply and were donated by Remington. Both rifles I have are dated 1916 and the barrels were shortened to replicate a Springfield 1903 for drill purposes.
If you know any details please feel free to add or correct my version.
I am going to try this
Of the SMLE's & MN's I own and have shot the SMLE has been the more accurate.
My grandfathers No1.MkIII is especially accurate, he had it tuned in the 50's. I've shot it several times at 1000yard targets with the Parker Hale sights he added with great results for an open sight ex military rifle.
Mosin-Nagant 91-30 will shoot 3-4" at 100yds and most better. My best 1942 tula with mint bore and no counterbore 2-2.5" with CZ ball at 100yds.
Those Mn 91/30 are quite accurate and fun to shoot. My lowly dated 1943 rough receiver MN gave a 2.5 inch group at 100 yds . This was on sandbag rest and firing for groups.
Now i heard those Ishapore 2As in 7.62 NATO round are the best accurate bunch of SMLE s.
Mosins vary quite a bit in accuracy depending on the type. A Finnish Mosin will likely be more accurate than a Tusla (for example). An SMLE will vary depending on condition.
If you're trying an apples to apples comparison, then I'd say a low-end SMLE will out perform a low end Mosin. A high end Mosin will do well against a comparable high end condition SMLE.
I own low end versions of both. My SMLE is more accurate.
What kind of loads for your Ishy are you getting the best results with?
Mine doesn't like any 147-150 grain that I've tried. The best results, not stellar, have been with the 168 SMK/Varget load worked up for my 308 Match rifle. It's ok for a battle rifle but the Lithgow and FAZ 303's shoot very well with surplus 303 FMJ.
The Finnish M39 rifles are very accurate with good ammo, together with the Swedish Mausers and the Swiss Rubin they are the most accurate bolt action service rifles.
Selected K98k and Russian Nagants can be pretty good, too. The SMLE has a smooth action and the No. 4 great sights but in general the accuracy is not comparable to a good M39 or Swedish Mauser rifle!