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I'll admit I'm no 1911 expert. I have one, a DW Specialist Govt in .45 ACP. I can take it apart and put it back together...even fitted a FPS to it and changed a mainspring but that's about it.

I noticed awhile back a burr off the corner of the slide stop notch toward the muzzle end. I thought maybe I did it because one time I wasn't paying attention and tried to push the slide stop lever into that notch instead of the takedown notch. But I have a picture I took 5 months before this incident after I put on some new grips when the gun had about probably 500-800 rounds through it, and you can see a little shiny spot in the area which is probably a burr.

I've seen some threads online about DWs (or other stainless slides) peening at the slide stop notch. The slide stop is clearly harder than the slide and the Duty Treat finish, which mine has, I don't think makes the steel much harder in my experience.

This gun has I think 2300 rounds in it, but this area now is pretty much shiny with a solid indention which I assume pushed up the burr. I actually have some pictures I took of the gun disassembled after the first 300 rounds to look at wear, and there's an indention in this spot for sure, just isn't shiny yet. But I took them with the bottom of the slide facing up so you can't really see burrs from that angle.

Was wondering if other DW owners have pics of this area especially if they have a DT finish. Wear from normal firing and use doesn't bother me but I can't stand marks from me being an idiot. This isn't a safe queen anyway and has plenty of finish wear under the safety and barrel bushing and sides of the grip safety.
 

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I dont have a DW, but have seen the described wear pattern on several 1911s. I'm not sure it's worthy of worry. That slot is going to get a bit worn. As long as the slide still gets caught by the slide stop it's fine. I'd bet the wear hasn't gotten progressively worse with regular use.
 

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I dont have a DW, but have seen the described wear pattern on several 1911s. I'm not sure it's worthy of worry. That slot is going to get a bit worn. As long as the slide still gets caught by the slide stop it's fine. I'd bet the wear hasn't gotten progressively worse with regular use.
I never noticed before just now that when you put in an empty mag and lock the slide back you don't see how the slide stop would touch that corner, but if you rack the slide back with some force like what would happen if a round was shot, the slide actually travels over the slide stop lever a little bit, pushing the lever down a little before the slide goes forward enough to go back in the notch.

When the slide over travels the lever, the corner of the slide stop hits the corner of the notch which is what caused the burr. The radius of the lever seems to fit perfectly in the indention.

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Thanks for the pics. I'd imagine there is a tolerance spec issue with the slide stop that you could likely fix yourself. Still, it may be good to hear from DW, as suggested.
 

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I might send the pics to DW, but I have a feeling what the response will be. On another forum someone had the slide stop notch AND the takedown notch peening badly. They sent in pictures to DW and their response was that it was normal and if they want to shoot it a bunch, they can send it in and they'd dress it up a little bit.

Other folks said they've seen it on some stainless slides, and one person mentioned they had or knew of a slide that was Baer or Brown (can't remember exactly) doing the same thing and their response was "shoot it 5 to 10k rounds then send it back in".
 

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I had this problem with a Brown. I’ll never own another.
 

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I had this problem with a Brown. I’ll never own another.
Stainless slide? Did you contact them about it?

I emailed Keith just for the hell of it with the pics so we'll see.

Edit: already got a response. Feel like he might have this response saved in a text file on his desktop. No mention of sending it in although I didn't expect that anyway.

"This a fairly common. This is caused after the last round is fired. The follower lifts the slide stop so that it rides along the bottom of the slide. As the slide stop reaches the lock back notch it lifts into the lock back positon however the slide continues its reward path and pushed the slide stop back down until the slide stops and begins its return path.
Long story short, what you are seeing will have no effect on the function of the firearm."
 

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Well, yeah it was as expected. Nothing really they could do to make it better other than dress it up and maybe replace or re-contour the offending surface of the slide stop.
 

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Well, yeah it was as expected. Nothing really they could do to make it better other than dress it up and maybe replace or re-contour the offending surface of the slide stop.
Yep, I will just continue to keep shooting until something serious breaks and see if it warrants sending in.
 

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Stainless slide? Did you contact them about it?

I emailed Keith just for the hell of it with the pics so we'll see.

Edit: already got a response. Feel like he might have this response saved in a text file on his desktop. No mention of sending it in although I didn't expect that anyway.

"This a fairly common. This is caused after the last round is fired. The follower lifts the slide stop so that it rides along the bottom of the slide. As the slide stop reaches the lock back notch it lifts into the lock back positon however the slide continues its reward path and pushed the slide stop back down until the slide stops and begins its return path.
Long story short, what you are seeing will have no effect on the function of the firearm."

I did
The 1st time, they dressed the notch.
About 600 rounds later, it happened again.
They dressed the notch and blasted the entire pistol.
The third time they *****ed about it, told me to not shoot to slide lock.
That’s where they left me. They ended
Up replacing the pistol and I sold it when received. I don’t own any Browns now.

Funny how none of my other pistols have done it. Stainless or carbon, slide lock travel was limited, and I suspect poor heat treatment
 

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I did
The 1st time, they dressed the notch.
About 600 rounds later, it happened again.
They dressed the notch and blasted the entire pistol.
The third time they *****ed about it, told me to not shoot to slide lock.
That’s where they left me. They ended
Up replacing the pistol and I sold it when received. I don’t own any Browns now.

Funny how none of my other pistols have done it. Stainless or carbon, slide lock travel was limited, and I suspect poor heat treatment
Don't you know you're supposed to feel honored and privileged to own one of their pistols and screw you if you need customer service? I've seen this happen in the high end knife world also.

At one point I thought about selling the DW and just getting a blued Colt Wiley Clapp. It'd have everything I want in a 1911 out of the box except an ambi safety. But I think I'll end up hanging onto the DW. It'll probably get a lot of holster work soon after I get a competition belt set up, and I won't mind the DW getting scuffed up. It already has a lot of finish wear in some places anyway, and if I want to get it dressed back up in the future I can send it in and have it recoated... For a nominal fee of course.
 

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All of my Dan Wessons have had it. My Springfield Professional had it. My Springfield Milspec has it. I don't think I've ever had a Wilson with it.
 

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The DW is a better gun.
I used to think so....not anymore though. I currently have four and I've had three more that I dumped. I've had to work through problems with each one except for my A2. The three that I dumped couldn't be corrected.

I'm going into my third IDPA season with my 9mm Specialist. It has over 20,000 rounds in it now and runs well. It took me about 3,000 rounds to get it there though.

Now, my carry gun, a ECP in .45 is having issues. Lots of brass-to-face and the slide fails to lock back after the last round.
 

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The DW is a better gun.
I'm not a 1911 expert so I'd have to take your word on this. I will say out of the box the DW was very tight and very nice looking. Safety was so tight that my thumb blistered from trying to break it in.

I don't mind honest wear on guns and this one definitely has it all over. Shot it over the weekend for the first time in over a year so it's up to 2500 rounds now.
 

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I used to think so....not anymore though. I currently have four and I've had three more that I dumped. I've had to work through problems with each one except for my A2. The three that I dumped couldn't be corrected.

I'm going into my third IDPA season with my 9mm Specialist. It has over 20,000 rounds in it now and runs well. It took me about 3,000 rounds to get it there though.

Now, my carry gun, a ECP in .45 is having issues. Lots of brass-to-face and the slide fails to lock back after the last round.
Did your Specialist have the same issue with the notch peening?

Curious what you had to go through in 3k rounds to get your 9mm Specialist running well.

I will say that in my 2500 rounds I haven't had any malfunctions, and all those rounds have been with the supplied 8 round DW mags.

Has not been "perfect" for me though. I had to get grip screws sent to me right after I got it because one almost had zero threads on it and the panel was moving around after the first time shooting. Also ditched the over aggressive VZ Operator II's for VZ Double Diamonds.
Had to buy a non-extended mag release because being a lefty, the extended release would bloody my middle finger every time out. Most painful thing would be being left-handed and using a thumbs forward grip, I get random cases hitting off my grip hand thumb knuckle and get cut open pretty much every time out.
The .45 Specialist also IMO is oversprung from the factory with a 18# RS and mainspring. Much more pleasant to shoot going to a 14#RS, 23#MS and Harrison FPS.
Finding a OWB left-handed holster preferably already drilled for QLS has been a challenge.
 

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Did your Specialist have the same issue with the notch peening?

Curious what you had to go through in 3k rounds to get your 9mm Specialist running well.

I will say that in my 2500 rounds I haven't had any malfunctions, and all those rounds have been with the supplied 8 round DW mags.

Has not been "perfect" for me though. I had to get grip screws sent to me right after I got it because one almost had zero threads on it and the panel was moving around after the first time shooting. Also ditched the over aggressive VZ Operator II's for VZ Double Diamonds.
Had to buy a non-extended mag release because being a lefty, the extended release would bloody my middle finger every time out. Most painful thing would be being left-handed and using a thumbs forward grip, I get random cases hitting off my grip hand thumb knuckle and get cut open pretty much every time out.
The .45 Specialist also IMO is oversprung from the factory with a 18# RS and mainspring. Much more pleasant to shoot going to a 14#RS, 23#MS and Harrison FPS.
Finding a OWB left-handed holster preferably already drilled for QLS has been a challenge.
I have two Specialists, a 9mm and a .45. Both are stainless. The .45 just had to be shot over 2,000 rounds to start being reliable.

The Specl 9mm- I had to tune the extractor, dump the OEM magazines and shoot about 3,000 rounds through it before I would compete with it. At this point, I change the recoil spring every 5,000 rounds.

All of my DW's have peened except for the A2. The A2 is carbon steel which is harder than stainless, maybe that's why. There's also a very respected 1911 smith on another forum that says DW's use softer stainless than other manufacturers and he suspects that's why the peen and have galling problems.
 
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I have two Specialists, a 9mm and a .45. Both are stainless. The .45 just had to be shot over 2,000 rounds to start being reliable.

The Specl 9mm- I had to tune the extractor, dump the OEM magazines and shoot about 3,000 rounds through it before I would compete with it. At this point, I change the recoil spring every 5,000 rounds.

All of my DW's have peened except for the A2. The A2 is carbon steel which is harder than stainless, maybe that's why. There's also a very respected 1911 smith on another forum that says DW's use softer stainless than other manufacturers and he suspects that's why the peen and have galling problems.
With CZ now owning both DW and Colt, I’m sure that the peening and galling problems will be fixed by leveraging Colt’s expertise.
 
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