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Single action vs Glock

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by wayno, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. wayno

    wayno

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    The difference in my accuracy between my 1911 and any Glock is Phenominal.
    Guess I better get to practicing w the glocks HUH. Guess I should have said single action vs Glock but 1911 is the only single action Pistol I have.
    Practice Practice Practice and maybe some instruction would be advisable:supergrin:
     
  2. Brian Lee

    Brian Lee Drop those nuts

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    I kind of have the same issue on triggers. I really prefer the single action trigger on the Browning Hi Power over a Glock type trigger by a mile. Sure, you can eventually get used to a Glock, but to me a crisp trigger that doesn't need to be pulled half an inch is MUCH nicer.
     

  3. polizei1

    polizei1 It WAS Quack

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    Well, we need pics and details of how you're shooting. Everything is correctable...but I and others cannot give you advice with no information!

    -Cody
     
  4. argy1182

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    In terms of follow up shots, don't let the trigger on the Glock reset all the way to it's starting point. Once you hear/feel that click, you can squeeze the trigger again. That should help a bit.
     
  5. bac1023

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    Its not just the trigger. :whistling:

    Tolerances play a big part in it. Generally speaking, 1911s are some of the most accurate pistols ever built.
     
  6. AFshooter

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    Google or search Glock trigger reset. There are a lot of great videos on it out there. It will improve your accuracy a lot.
     
  7. triggerjerk

    triggerjerk

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    Get a 3.5lb connector and 4lb striker spring.
     
  8. ipscshooter

    ipscshooter Mostly IDPA now

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    Learning to prep the trigger goes a long way in improving trigger control.
     
  9. CynicX

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    Like mentioned you are letting the trigger reset back to where it started. Fire, hold the trigger, release until the click and no further, then you are ready to fire.

    You should be doing the same thing with your 1911.

    My 1911 has an amazing factory trigger but you cant let it totally reset...
     
  10. Bobshouse

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    My Glock outshot my 1911 also, so I sold it, now I only have the Glock and its great...no more practice sessions with that 1911!
     
  11. Glocktrekker

    Glocktrekker

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    I have had some good success with dry firing- practicing the reset by pulling the trigger, cycling the slide back (to simulate recoil) while holding the trigger back, then letting it out to the reset.

    I try to get in 50 reps a day this way, and it's a game to see how fast I can cycle and hit the reset. This has been a big improvement for my accuracy.

    Also, a lot of guys will tell you to use the pad of your first finger- this is ABSOLUTELY TRUE in most cases, but not all- for ME with my long *ss fingers, just forward of the first knuckle (towards the pad) keeps me from pushing left. Apparently, it all has to do with how well you can press the trigger back in a straight line without "twisting" the gun as you hit the "break" (jerking/slapping the trigger, too much trigger finger, etc.) this is trigger control, and it is really, really important on a Glock (any gun for that matter)

    But then again, what the hell do I know? I'm still figuring it out myself...everything I've said here plus $1.25 will get you a coke from the machine....

    Good luck, stay safe, and let us know how you are doing.
     
  12. txgolfer45

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    I'm more accurate with my STI Trojan 9mm than my G19. Part of it may be sight radius. But, a lot is trigger.
     
  13. bac1023

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    The Trojan is an awesome shooter.
     
  14. Glolt20-91

    Glolt20-91

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    Show a newb how to grip a 1911 and they'll hit what they are aiming at, makes for a great first impression. :supergrin:

    Natural point ability is an asset of the 1911 design, this is a 70 round group from seven yards, pointed shooting as fast as the trigger could be pulled. Left handed, right handed, both hands and from the hip either hand; split times 4 to 5 rounds per second (230gr Golden Sabers 960fps). Left handed was kinda slow. It was very hot in the arroyo, stainless steel finish and wooden grips are advantageous allowing the Colt to be gripped after being left in direct sunlight. . . still hot in the hand.

    [​IMG]

    With a little practice, both my Colt & Para 1911/.38 Super split times get down to about .14sec/.15sec with full velocity 147gr JHPs.

    Black plastic grips become extremely hot when left in the hot desert sun, perhaps requiring gloves to shoot.

    Bob :cowboy:
     
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    I've thought about getting the Trojan in .38 Super, what are your thoughts?

    Bob :cowboy:
     
  16. JuneyBooney

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    You are certainly accurate in the above statement. :supergrin:
     
  17. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    I got to admit inside 15 yards my little 3 inch EMP9 outshoots every Glock I have or ever owned... but then again I have it seen it outshot a few compact and fullsize 1911's too.

    Alot has to do with the trigger and tighter tolerences.

    Beyond 15 yards between the EMP9 and either the G34 or G17 it's about even as the longer sight radius gets the edge on the glocks.
     
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    English

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    If you want to shoot with high accuracy in precision type competititions, and much of IPSC counts as precision, a good single action trigger is a considerable advantage. So too is a tightly fitted pistol and this can be found in a good 1911. If you want to achieve good precision from a beginning shooter in a short time, a 1911 also has an advantage.

    If you want a pistol which is optimised for combat rather than range games, the Glock wins. Its trigger action is poor in comparison to the 1911 but the extra weight and length of pull are a far better combat compromise than a short, crisp light single action combined with a thumb safety which is far too easy to fumble under stress. Its grip has a better angle to minimise muzzle flip than the 1911. The lower barrel axis adds to this effect. The blockier grip carries more rounds than the 1911's and in combat this can be a very good thing. The sloppier fit reduces the chance of malfunction when dirty relative to the 1911 at the cost of some inherrent accuracy but that extra accuracy is very rarely needed in combat and the WW1 1911s were just as sloppy as Glocks for the same reason. Only after WW2 with the rise of Camp Perry type 1911 matches did specialist gunsmiths first tighten up and then start to make special parts and finally full pistols with close tollerances for competition.

    The Glock trigger action can be improved greatly and still be good for carry. For competition it can be made close to a 1911 but it then becomes unsuitable for carry. It is important, I believe, to shoot the Glock for what it is intended to be and to learn to shoot it for what it is rather than to try to make it like a 1911. So, smooth the trigger action and limit its over travel but don't make it too light.

    For what it is worth, I think that shooting from reset comes into this category. In a competition it will make you a little faster with rapid precision fire but it is the height of fine motor skill which is likely to break down in combat when you are likely to be pulling the trigger when you have not gone forward far enough for it to fire. It is funny that a remarkably large proportion of the people who will tell you to shoot from reset will also tell you not to use the slide stop as a slide release because, they believe, it uses fine motor skills. It is interesting that Rob Leatham's finger comes completely off the trigger in rapid fire. If he would just put in a little more practice time he could probably learn to shoot from reset.

    English
     
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  19. brisk21

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    Id be willing to bet it has alot more to do with the trigger action than "tolerances". I know that it is a factor, but if you get a 1911 with similar tolerances to a Glock, I'll bet most people would still get better accuracy with the single action 1911. Also, one should be able to be pretty darn accurate with either with a little practice and good guidance.
     
  20. ricklee4570

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    Im one of those that likes to put my finger in deep to get plenty of leverage, makes the Glock trigger feel lighter to me. I have no problem shooting tiny little groups, and even at longer ranges (30 to 50 yards) I keep the shots on target.