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Singer Sewing Machine pistol manufacture

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  1. professor gun

    professor gun

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    I know that just before WWII or at the start Singer Sewing Machine Co made about 500 1911 pistols and also made some M1 Garands before they switched to making bomb sights for planes.

    A person has told me that they were issued a Singer Sewing Machine manufactured .22 LR pistol in Vietnam that was silenced. I didn't think Singer made .22 pistols and cannot find any reference that indicates they did.

    Do any of you know whether or not Singer made .22 pistols?
     
  2. Haldor

    Haldor Formerly retired EE.

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    - Edited for unnecessary smartassedness
     
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    bluelineman Infidel كافر

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    I doubt this is true, but I can't say for sure. Did the guy also claim to be a SEAL or Special Forces? :whistling:
     
  4. chuckman

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    The only .22 cal silenced pistols I know about during Vietnam were made by High Standard.
     
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    DustyJacket Directiv 10-289

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    I believe it was a High Standard HD in the Viet-nam days. I think the OSS had them in WWII. I know that Gary Powers had one when they shot down his U-2. It was displayed by the Reds along with his other gear.

    I don't know who actually made the barrels (ported) nor the silencer parts.

    BTW - Singer made some M1 Carbines as well as the M1911. I wasn't aware they made Garands as well, until I saw this.

    If you look at some of the M16s out there (A1 at least) you'll find some made by Hydromatic - the automatic transmission maker for GM (I think).
     
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    Singer never made Garands. Only Springfield, IHC, H&R and Winchester made Garands.
     
  7. professor gun

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    There are other things he has said that are obviously false and I suspect he is one of the "Vietnam Vets" who never really saw Vietnam for real.

    I was pretty sure Singer only made 1911 pistols in a quantity of 500 and the references I checked support that. One reference said they made a few M1 Garands (of course now I cannot find the reference) which was news to me but I am not a Garand collector. Perhaps they did not make any.

    When I was in the Marines shortly after Vietnam ended I met some former SEALs (they were the real deal) who were going through OCS who had done tours in Nam. Discussing guns I recall them telling me that on occasion they were issued .22 LR pistols made by High Standard.

    Thanks for the info, guys.
     
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    american lockpicker License to Il

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  9. Jason D

    Jason D INFRINGED Silver Member Millennium Member

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    Those were the American manufactures.
    Springfield and Winchester made them during the war. H&R and International made them post war.

    The Italians also made M1's under the Bereda and I believe Beretta names.
    I have never seen a Beretta receiver though.

    These are the only companies that made M1 Carbines.

    Rock-Ola Music Corporation (ROCK-OLA)
    Standard Products (STANDARD PRODUCTS)
    International Business Machines (IBM)
    Quality Hardware (QUALITY HARDWARE)
    National Postal Meter (NATIONAL POSTER METER)
    Saginaw (SAGINAW DIVISION,GENERAL MOTORS)S.G.
    Saginaw (Grand Rapids) S'G'
    Underwood-Elliot-Fisher (UNDERWOOD)
    Winchester (WINCHESTER)
    Inland (INLAND DIVISION, GENERAL MOTORS


    There were a several different .22's used in Vietnam.
    The High Standard was the biggest one used. I have read the Colt Woodsman was another.
     
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  10. Free Radical

    Free Radical Miembro Antiguo CLM

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    Excellent. Thanks for that.
     
  11. professor gun

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    Thanks for this info!
     
  12. HandyMan Hugh

    HandyMan Hugh NRA Life Member

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    Very early in WWII, IBM offered it's whole manufacturing facility in Endicott NY to the government to produce war materiel. The two things that I know of were M1 Carbines, and Norden Bombsights. The whole property was declared a "War Plant" and security was stepped way up. The whole place was fenced in. They had armed, mounted guards, and K9 patrols inside the fence. There were several buildings that had roof corner mounted MaDeuce set ups.
     
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    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Silenced Ruger .22 were also used back in those days too. As was silenced SW M39. Anyway, that's where the name "hushpuppy" comes from. The original intent was to not take out sentries but take out dogs.
     
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    That M39 was neat. Had a lever to lock the slide. Not sure how durable it was.
     
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    Springfield Armory also made "post war" M1 Garands, I have a 5.8m which dates to 1954
     
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    NO! SINGER did NOT! SINGER DID NOT Make Any M1 GARANDS either..SINGER made 500, 45ACP pistols serial numbered S800001 to S800500..
     
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    MY Friend was in Viet-Nam with Col Beckwith, Long before DELTA came along. They were issued 22 RUGER pistols with Silencers, Their job was to go out and capture NVA, He said most of the enemy would bleed out before they could get them back to be interrogated. Said Beckwith would ***** them out for hours. Having worked with Beckwith I don't doubt it a bit...
     
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    I can't speak for a silecced .22, but according to my references, over the years Colt contracted with Rem-UMC, Winchester, Singer, H&R, Ithaca, Augusta-Arsenal, and Remngton Rand tp manufacture 1911s.

    My 2000 Firearms catalog doesn't show Singer to have made any .22s, so if they did it was as a sub-contractor for another manufacturer. Given the info about current gun builders, I would have to guess that Singer did not build the .22.

    My reference material does no specify when Colt became the sole world's largest producer of unfinished firearms.
     
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  19. Jason D

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    I should have worded that better.
    One of my SA's is a 1954 or so 5.2 mil